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gyardleyonNov 7, 2015

Well, no, but that's probably because 'Lies My Teacher Told Me' is by a completely different author. That book commits its own sins, primarily ones of omission, but agreed, it's far better than Zinn's 800-page Manichean screed.

rthomas6onOct 13, 2014

I'm not sure how to reconcile this with what I read in the book Lies My Teacher Told Me, which contradicts the source you've given here.

SlyShyonJune 6, 2009

You might enjoy the book Lies My Teacher Told Me by James Loewen.

mirimironDec 7, 2015

Also great is James W. Loewen's Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong.

cmiles74onApr 9, 2015

"Lies My Teacher Told Me" by James W. Loewen, he's a sociologist that examines the major textbooks sold in the US. The title is a little cheesy, the book is a bit more serious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies_My_Teacher_Told_Me

dfconJuly 3, 2013

"Lies My Teacher Told Me" is a good book if you don't have much time or if you don't have a decent background in US history. I think Zinn's "A People's History of the US" is a much better book for the HN reader who is interested in the subject and willing to sit down with a longer book.

stevenwooonDec 31, 2018

The two most depressing books I have read recently are A People's History of the United States and Lies My Teacher Told Me and I wish I had read them when I was a child but YMMV.

stevenwooonSep 11, 2018

Lies My Teacher Told Me is another pretty good, depressing read that covers some of this and prior American history with analysis.

rayineronOct 21, 2012

Education in other areas does suck. Read Loewen, "Lies my Teacher Told Me."

unaloneonFeb 19, 2009

When you argue against his point, cite his writing. When you argue writing, talk about the writing and nothing but the writing.

As the book Lies My Teacher Told Me elegantly shows, many history books that have existed for decades are thoroughly incorrect and yet are still used by teachers. Length of use can be a good sign, but it isn't necessarily. "the book has been used in writing classes (and has been constantly in print) for 33 years so I think the criticism that there's "isn't much content" is unfounded" is an ad hominem argument.

If you're going to tear him apart, do it. We won't mind. That always leads to good discussion. But don't say you could and then don't.

chimeracoderonNov 27, 2012

> Just goes to show that there is usually a huge difference between what we think of historical figures and how they actually were.

It shows that people are complicated and multifaceted. While we have a tendency to either laud or vilify figures (with nothing in between), in reality, historical figures can be both "good" and "bad" in different aspects of their lives... just like the rest of us.

My favorite example of this is Helen Keller[1]. Almost nobody these days knows anything about Helen Keller beyond the age of 18 - they know that learned to communicate despite being deaf and blind, but the nearly 70 years of her life after that are almost buried in history.

Which is a shame, because Helen Keller would have been a notable figure in her own right even if it weren't for her disability[2].

But because she was a member of the official Socialist party, we can't use her story as an inspirational lesson and mention that she held political beliefs that we may or may not agree with. Instead have to make a judgement call as to whether her "good" or her "bad[3]" side is more important to teach, and then forget about the rest.

Worse, this principle is applied in reverse to dehumanize people whom history has classified as villains. The result is that our history is filled with monochromatic caricatures, and we forget that, were we to see the complete picture, our modern-day "villains" may not look so different (for better or for worse!)

[1] I believe Loewen talks about this in his excellent book Lies My Teacher Told Me (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies_My_Teacher_Told_Me)

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Keller#Political_activiti...

[2] Naturally, this presumes that you either disagree with socialist politics or think that history lessons should be politically neutral, which is the predominant belief in the USA.

stevenwooonOct 2, 2017

You might be interested in Lies My Teacher Told Me by James W. Loewen. He's a sociologist but he brings up this point when talking about the different possible discovery dates fo the Americas by the Japanese, Africans, Polynesians and others at one point - history books have a tendency to wrongly paint many things as objective truth when there should be more subtlety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies_My_Teacher_Told_Me

agrippanuxonMay 12, 2020

“Lies My Teacher Told Me” by James Loewan will fundamentally change your understanding of American history.

mstocktononNov 13, 2013

I made a goal to read 100 books this year. I'm through 87 so far. Most of them have been non-fiction. Using this year to learn things outside of technology has been time very well spent for me. Here are some of my top books this year.

- Currency Wars, James Rickards

- The Shock Doctrine, Naomi Klein

- What Technology Wants, Kevin Kelly

- The Art Of Happiness, Dalai Lama

- Lies My Teacher Told Me, James Loewen

- The Four Agreements, Miguel Ruiz

- Man's Search For Meaning, Viktor Frankl

- Understanding Power, Noam Chomsky

- The New Jim Crow, Michelle Alexander

- Good To Great, Jim Collins

- Abundance, Peter Diamandis

- The Mystery Of Capital, Hernando De Soto

- Pathologies Of Power, Paul Farmer

- Metaphors We Live By, George Lakoff

- Seeing Like A State, James Scott

- Ishmael, Daniel Quinn

- Surely You're Joking Mr. Feynman, Richard Feynman

- Beyond Fear, Bruce Schneier

- The Omnivore's Dilemma, Michael Pollan

- The Birth Of Plenty, William Bernstein

scrapcodeonNov 8, 2014

The word "many" leads me to believe that this is the author's opinion without substance, and even with evidence at best ad populum.

I recently read "Lies My Teacher Told Me" by J. Loewen [1], and it hits on just this, being the "heroification" of American leaders. I wouldn't doubt that this is what was the popular teaching in K-12 US.

[1] http://www.amazon.com/Lies-My-Teacher-Told-Everything/dp/074...

ComputerGuruonNov 7, 2015

No mention of James Loewen's "Lies My Teacher Told Me," which fills in some of the blanks they mention in Zinn's narrative, overflowing with both footnotes and primary sources, going out of its way to point out alternate explanations and the reasoning behind the author's deductions and conclusions.

Edit: Loewen makes no claim that his book is by any means a history book and outright states that he does not intend to cover everything, but I personally feel that the issues he does cover are treated considerably more fairly, even if he makes no secret of which side of history he comes down on. He also feels like he has less of an axe to grind with the United States as a country and government as compared to Zinn, coming across as being more against certain persons or policies that have been (in his opinion) incorrectly hero-worshipped or whitewashed by traditional history books.

lev99onOct 4, 2018

Lies My Teacher Told Me by James W. Loewen talks a lot about how whitewashed, and classist history text books are, and why that is the case.

A summary of the book is that history textbooks have a tendency to avoid showing anything negative done by great American historical figures because they are held up as heroes for people in imitate. There is a narrative of constant progress that is told in the textbooks that does not match with actual history. History textbooks avoid talking about class struggles altogether, because if they did they would be labeled as Marxist. There is a general avoidance of discussing immoral foreign policy. The book backs up these claims by citing many popular textbooks and how they cover, or don't cover, historical events.

(The following summary of the book is my own understanding of the book's opinions and not necessarily my own. I haven't studied history enough to hold my own opinion.)

mechanical_fishonJuly 3, 2013

A readable introduction to the bits of US history that high-school textbooks delicately gloss over is Loewen's Lies My Teacher Told Me.

Includes not only an intro to labor history, but also to civil rights history, and American Indian war-of-extermination history, and of course the charming US imperial history of the 20th century. (Not that any other country's imperial history is much prettier.)

alargeonFeb 6, 2019

In addition to books others have already mentioned, I'd put "Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong".

It made me understand just how much of what I was raised believing about the history of the US was just plain mythology. It also explained why I always hated US History in school...

npsimonsonSep 17, 2012

I really don't understand how scheduling fixed-time appointments became the natural order. Challenge that assumption and you'll be amazed at how it impacts life for the better.

I'm no historian, but the general gist I got is that with the shift from bespoke to industrial society came a regimenting of schedule. Could have sworn I read about this somewhere ("Peopleware"? "Lies my Teacher Told Me"?), and maybe even caught a synopsis on a book dedicated to the topic, but titles escape me right now. Might be worth looking into.

mechanical_fishonOct 25, 2007

I quote James Loewen's Lies My Teacher Told Me, page 293:

"Students did the work on time, writing real definitions to the first two and last two terms, but for the thirty or forty in the middle they free-associated whatever nonsense they wanted. 'Hawley-Smoot Tariff: I have no idea, Mr. De Moulin,' might be one entry. Or 'Blue Eagle: FDR's pet bird who got very sad when he died.' Educational theorists call such acts "day-to-day resistance" -- a phrase that comes from theorizing about slavery...

"Of course, fooling the teacher is of little consequence. Quite possibly my sister's teacher even knew of the ruse and joked about it with his colleagues, the way masters chuckled that their slaves were so stupid they had to be told every evening to bring in the hoes or they would leave them out in the night dew."

So, no, you're not the only adult who remembers what school was like.

And school is worse today -- students have more restrictions, more rote testing, and less academic freedom than ever. No wonder they feel and act like imprisoned, rebellious slaves.

bgrohmanonOct 1, 2012

1. Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong, by James W. Loewen

http://www.amazon.com/Lies-My-Teacher-Told-Everything/dp/074...

2. Clojure Programming, by Chas Emerick

http://www.amazon.com/Clojure-Programming-Chas-Emerick/dp/14...

3. Zorba the Greek, by Nikos Kazantzakis

http://www.amazon.com/Zorba-Greek-Nikos-Kazantzakis/dp/06848...

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