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pmoriartyonFeb 20, 2016

"Plus it's as brilliant a takedown of conspiracy-theory-thinking as ever the world will see."

How does it compare on that score to The Illuminatus Trilogy[1], written more than a decade before Eco's book?

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminatus

h3stonDec 5, 2007

The Ego and its Own, by Max Stirner.
The Open Society and its Enemies, by Karl Popper.
The Illuminatus! trilogy.

Robin Hobb books (with special mention of the farseer trilogy), Neal Stephenson, Alan Moore, Terry Pratchett.

enkiv2onAug 5, 2016

Deep Leaf Audio did a really excellent audiobook version of The Illuminatus Trilogy that adds some layers on top of the book itself. I usually don't bother with audiobooks -- it's slower and more effort than reading -- but with that particular book it's worthwhile.

JCThoughtscreamonOct 14, 2009

Flashbacks to the many times I've reread the Illuminatus Trilogy back in high school. Humor, and our responses to it, has a tendency to reveal more than we might want it to.

robabbyonFeb 6, 2019

I was introduced to the book "The Illuminatus Trilogy", by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson in High School and it turned out to be pretty impactful on how my worldview developed. It pushed me towards questioning things, as opposed to falling into some Conspiracy Theory rabbit-hole which the book could easily nudge you towards.

jimminyonFeb 8, 2012

The combination of 1 and 3 can be found in 'The Illuminatus! Trilogy'[1]. Lake Vostok isn't involved in the story, but there is a portion based on the same rumors of the Nazi secret base. The current time period is set about 40 years ago.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Illuminatus!_Trilogy

egypturnashonFeb 5, 2019

The appendices of The Illuminatus! Trilogy, followed by some of Robert Anton Wilson's other work.

Doing the experiments contained within some of his books will take you on a very rational, sensible journey to some very strange places, and may break parts of your worldview.

alasdair_onDec 29, 2019

The Illuminatus Trilogy is my favorite book of all time.

A lot of people have a hard time with it, considering it nonsense and giving up a fifth of the way through. I'd strongly suggest sticking with it. There is a reason is seems like nonsense and the reason is given at the end of the book - the whole purpose of all of it is to reprogram your brain. It's a journey worth taking.

lsiebertonOct 17, 2012

Hmm... Favorite is hard. Maybe Cryptonomicon Because it was funny, meditative, and the research into WWII crypto was interesting. Or Maybe Stranger in a Strange Land, for the insights into correct action, the nature of humor, love, and understanding, and for giving us 'grok'. Or Maybe the Illuminatus Trilogy, for crazy awesomeness insight into the 1970's. I've loaned out all three, and I couldn't consider a book a favorite unless I'd tried to get people to read it.

KineticLensmanonJan 4, 2021

I read Foucault's Pendulum and finished it, but it was heavy going. I then read "The Illuminatus! Trilogy" [0] which I enjoyed much more, because it was more intentionally cranky and funny. It is to conspiracy novels as "Airplane!" was to disaster movies, and then some.

[Edit] Both of them make Dan Brown look really, really unimpressive. If "The Da Vinci Code" is a vaguely thought-through concept aimed at general readers, "The Illuminatus! Trilogy" is an explosion in a conspiracy theory factory.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Illuminatus!_Trilogy

ProcrastesonFeb 5, 2019

For me:

* Godel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter

* The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins

* Incognito: The Secret Lives of the Brain by David Eagleman

* Occult America: The Secret History of How Mysticism Shaped Our Nation by Mitch Horowitz

* Little Brother by Cory Doctorow

* Siddhartha by Herman Hesse

* The Culture novels by Ian M. Banks

* Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy by Douglas Adams

* Not a book, but Gene Roddenberry's vision in Star Trek shaped who I want to be and the world in which I prefer to live.

Although, I would say that it's hard to choose because just about everything I read changes me in some way. Here I've tried to stick to the ones that changed me for the better, rather than sending me off on an amusing if useless rabbit trail, e.g. Real Magic by Isaac Bonewitz, Illusions by Richard Bach, The Illuminatus Trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson, H.P. Lovecraft's works.

gnosisonJune 25, 2011

It's great that you are asking questions. Your mind seems open and you are expressing a willingness to learn. To that end I recommend the following books:

The Psychedelics Experience by Peter Stafford

Pikhal by Alexander Shulgin

Acid Dreams by Lee and Shlain

The Illuminatus Trilogy by Shea and Wilson

Plants of the Gods by Richard Evans Schultes

The Archaic Revival by Terrence McKenna

The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide by James Fadiman

That should get you started. Good luck, and have a safe trip.

ferentchakonJan 19, 2016

I loved the KLF. After reading the The Illuminatus! Trilogy I was facinated with the idea of how much freedom you could have in our society if you just stopped following unenforced cultural norms.

Bands like the KLF were a huge part of my early 20's.

The entire "Andy Kaufman" method of turning society and the media into your own private playground always seemed like the highest form of humor to me.

I am beyond jealous of your experiences!

jerfonAug 7, 2010

Is there more? Well, yes. I did just try to summarize the book in about 20 words.

Are you about 90% of the way through? Yes. The book is written in a style to make it have the trappings of more depth than it actually has. I actually enjoy it that way and do not mean it as a criticism. (I also enjoyed the Illuminatus! trilogy, which is self-consciously written with somewhat similar motives.) Don't undersell yourself.

pmoriartyonFeb 5, 2019

The Illuminatus Trilogy by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson

https://www.amazon.com/Illuminatus-Trilogy-Pyramid-Golden-Le...

dredmorbiusonMay 12, 2016

TL;DR: Recommendations systems cannot be indifferent to truth.

Some related concepts:

1. Donella Meadows, in Thinking in Systems, notes that an absolute requirement of an effective and healthy system is accurate feedback and information. Media which are indifferent to truth value, or which actively promote distortion (see Robert Proctor's term, agnotology), will actively harm the system.

2. Celine's 2nd law, and inversion. In Robert Anton Wilson's Illuminatus! trilogy, a character notes that "accurate information is possible only in a non-punishing situation". Its inverse is also true: acurate information is only possible when it is accuracy itself and ONLY accuracy which is rewarded. Academic publishing, in which paper output and journal selection is a gateway determinant of professional careers, would be an instance of this. Or the long skew of The Learning Channel from NASA-PBS educational co-production to Honey Boo-Boo broadcaster.

3. Paperclip Maximizer. "Don't be evil" isn't good enough. You've got to actively seek out good. Even a benign maximisation goal will, if not tempered by requirements to provide net benefit, lead to catastrophic results.

4. Mancur Olson's "The Logic of Collective Action" explains how and why small (but motivated) fringe groups can achieve goals directly opposed to the interests of far larger groups. This explains a great deal of market and political dysfunction.

5. A generalisation of Gresham's Law leads to the realisation that understanding of complex truths is itself expensive. It's also (Dunning-Kruger) beyond the capability of much of the population. This also has some rather dismal implications, though as William Ophuls notes, political theory based on the assumption that all the children can be above average ("the Lake Wobegon effect") are doomed. You dance with the dunce what brung ya.

Social media are being flagrantly self-serving and destructive.

SuoDuanDaoonJune 15, 2019

Never met a practising discordian who called themselves that, though I've met Subgenii and chaos magicians. I'm currently reading the Illuminatus! trilogy that supposedly kicked that movement off, but I only know about that through Steve Jackson Games' frequent references.

I don't know whether they're hiding or gone, it doesn't seem like a movement that would be big on recruiting so who knows?..

lukiferonJune 9, 2020

I used to read The Illuminatus! Trilogy [0] once every year or two, though that's slowed down; I feel like I've gotten something new out of it every time.

I'm now taking a second pass through Unsong [1], simply because I enjoyed the first read so much.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Illuminatus!_Trilogy

[1] http://unsongbook.com/

cableshaftonJuly 12, 2017

I really started to take life and society a lot less seriously after I read The Illuminatus! Trilogy when I was a young teenager. It seemed to break through my mental barriers a lot better than any other book. It reads kind of like an acid trip, wandering around from the headspace of one character to another character throughout time and space, sometimes mid-sentence, but over the course of the book it tells an entertaining romp chock full of conspiracies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Illuminatus!_Trilogy

More recently I've been reading through Antifragile: Things that Gain From Disorder by Nassim Taleb, and while I'm not completely on board with everything he said (his assertions that academia contributed virtually nothing to the development of the computer rang particularly false to me, so some of his other assertions are similarly suspect), it is forcing me to think of how I can live my life in a way that is less susceptible to things outside of my control.

For example, I've been following cryptocurrencies quite a bit and have some 'skin in the game' there, and that field does seem to require some 'antifragile' thinking in order to weather its volatility.

The book seems to be particularly good if you want to get more into the entrepreneurial or creative mindset.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifragile

jamesmcnonDec 26, 2012

Walter Jon Williams' The Green Leopard Plague, which is also part of an anthology of the same name. The anthology includes several other stories that build up the world that GLP takes place in. Some interesting ideas about identity and consciousness in a society with extremely advanced bioengineering.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Leopard_Plague

Umberto Eco's Prague Cemetery which expands greatly on a tiny section of Foucault's Pendulum. Eco's writing is extremely dense. Similar to Neal Stephenson, but with more of a literary flavor than a technogeek flavor. A nice way to balance out your reading if you find you are a bit too focused on modern technology.

I finally read Robert Anton Wilson's Illuminatus! trilogy. Early Internet and web culture was so deeply infused with RAW's ideas that the trilogy felt like one long déjà vu session. Lots of fun. RAW + Eco are a great antidote to taking conspiracy theories seriously, while having a ton of fun at the same time.

Gibson's Sprawl trilogy. Wow. Since the release of the Blue Ant books, I've been telling people that Blue Ant is the place to start, as it updates a lot of the underlying themes of Sprawl for this decade. But Sprawl is still very current and relevant. If you read Sprawl during or before the dot-com bubble like I did, you probably focused on the prophetic internet stuff. If you read it again, you will find out that there is plenty more interesting stuff to feed your brain in Gibson's early novels.

empath75onAug 13, 2017

This guy is actually fairly ignorant of the history. The Illuminatus! Trilogy was a parody of conspiracy literature and was released in 1975. There were hundreds of books about the freemasons and the illuminati going back to the 18th century. There was a whole anti-Masonic political party in the United States in the 19th century. In particular, the book parodied the John Birch society.

The real innovation in the book was how freely they mixed and matched conspiracy theories from the left and right to turn them into a gigantic ur-conspiracy.

HominemonAug 26, 2012

Some of this reminds that small things can have large repercussions on morale. There is a passage in The Illuminatus Trilogy that describes an act of culture jamming where a sign reading "no smoking" is replaced by a sign that says "no spitting" in an upscale department store. The customers and employees begin the resent the management, after all why would the management assume they would spit on the floor of an upscale department store.
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