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C1sc0catonAug 22, 2020

A lot of key SF books in the cannon are dystopias 1984, We , Brave New World, Gulliver's travels could possibly be considered SF as well.

a_bonoboonApr 9, 2015

You may also like Yevgeny Zamyatin's "We" [1]. Orwell asserted that Huxley ripped it off for Brave New World, but Huxley said that he had never heard of it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_%28novel%29

moocowduckquackonNov 24, 2013

Anyone who appreciates Brave New World and 1984 should really take a look at Yevgeny Zamyatin's novel, We.

It was the first book banned after the Russian revolution and according to Orwell it was his inspiration for 1984. I found it a lot more amusing and poetic than 1984 however.

InitialLastNameonOct 30, 2018

Slight correction: the short story published as "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale," not "Total Recall".

sireatonAug 28, 2009

I was half expecting memory implants and a reference to Philip K. Dick and 'We Can Remember It for You Wholesale' short story (basis for 'Total Recall' movie, story is good and differs from the movie).

That said, I don't regret a single over the budget experience I've had.

colechristensenonSep 5, 2017

I've been doing audiobooks on commute for the last year or so and have particularly enjoyed these as well:

* anything by & narrated by Bill Bryson

* The Phoenix Project

* We Are Legion (We are Bob)

* SPQR: A History of Ancient Rome

* The Adventure of English: The Biography of a Language

idoubtitonNov 1, 2018

George Orwell certainly was a successful writer (in the sense that he became famous and sold many books), but not a world-builder. 1984 is a rip-off from Zamyatin's novel, "We".

Ironically, Orwell wrote before WWII that Aldous Huxley's Brave New World (1932) was heavily inspired by We (1921). Then he wrote 1984 (1949) which borrows even more: it's the same story, with more romance and a more mainstream narrating style.

sudostephonJan 8, 2019

It wasn't the translation, I just hated all of the characters - especially the protaganist and his faux-philosophical rants about his hatred the square root of negative one. The world that that the author built was actually interesting, and if that's the only thing a reader cares about, then I can see the appeal. But the storytelling as a whole just sank the whole thing for me.

And this coming is from someone who loved 1984 and Brave New World and was eagerly looking forward to reading "We" at one point.

heisenbergsonFeb 3, 2021

"We" by Zamyatin is one of the best books I read all of last year. It's out of copy right, so freely downloadable too. Found it much more compelling than either a brave new world or 1984, even though both those books are also great. "We" seemed much more coherent and thought through.

Reading his back story makes this even more interesting, given that he was living in a totalitarian state. I'd recommend reading his Wikipedia entry too.

In short: highly recommended reading.

pjc50onJan 2, 2016

I'm not sure it was a big part of his rise to power, but it definitely helped him in the popular memory. Along with the famous radio speeches. "We shall fight them on the beaches" is his great legacy and memorial.

Remember, Churchill was a member of the hereditary aristocracy with inherited wealth, which he seems to have spent or misinvented to a great extent - that's the point of the book being reviewed here. That was a big key to power.

baddoxonOct 6, 2014

The Foundation series is certainly on my list. I have been giving series lower priority, simply because I want to go breadth-first, but I'm not confident this is a reasonable strategy, especially since I could just read the first entry and decide from there how to proceed.

I had not heard of We, but I will look into it.

shantanubalaonMar 15, 2011

If you do a search through HN, you'll find some really good recommendations.

Read The Black Swan by Nassim Nicholas Taleb (Fooled By Randomness is also good) if you want to peer into the mind of an investor.

Read Hesse's Siddhartha if you're thinking along the lines of culture/religion/philosophy.

Read a few Ayn Rand books if you like libertarianism and don't really care to relate to the characters.

Read We by Yevgheny Zamyatin if you want an interesting allegory that metaphorically compares heaven to a dystopian dictatorship.

Read Unweaving the Rainbow by Richard Dawkins if you're very interested in the sciences.

I remember Sebastian Marshall recommending Musashi by Eiji Yoshikawa -- I'd recommend it too. It's pretty good, and I was especially interested since I've been doing marshal arts for over 10 years now.

And read Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! no matter how you think. It's fantastic.

EDIT: More Books!

I read these when I was in elementary school, but they still hold their value:

The Giver by Lois Lowry if you want more dystopias.

The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupery if you're feeling especially playful.

jordanbonJuly 6, 2011

In this example, the fundamental problem with the original set of statements is that they are not true.

The problem is that the copywriter works at an organization that has contemptible business practices. Given that state of affairs she could either:

1) Tell the truth and produce a highly cynical document that would cost her job plus blowback.

2) Tell lies (the original version), causing blowback and probably costing her and several others their jobs.

3) Write a bunch of pleasant-sounding meaningless nothings (the final version) which fulfills her assignment of writing a value statement free of both lies and brutal honesty. Interestingly, on a meta level, this is actually a very honest document, as it ends up reading "We have no values."

neadenonDec 19, 2018

While I haven't read What Not I have read the other novel mentioned here, We by Yevgeny Zamyatin and I have to say 1984 pretty much completely takes the entire plot from it.

Spoilers follow:

Both books follow the journey of a single man as he has a romance with a rebellious woman, get involved with a rebellion but then find out that an older man who they thought they could trust was really part of the secret police. Both novels end with the protagonist getting brainwashed and once again loyal to the state. While I like and respect Orwell immensely as an author, it's clear that he owes a great debt to Zamyatin for his most famous novel.

banmeagaindan2onSep 6, 2020

Not well known Masterworks - all different all strange tales in different genres and stories well told.

Our Fair City podcast
The Lost Cat podcast.
The Mabel podcast
The SHWEP podcast
The House of Sunshine podcast
We're Alive podcast

If you're ready for a challenge - The book of the new sun audiobooks. Deep, intense and multiple listens would be required for understanding - but very rewarding.

segmondyonJune 23, 2018

This happened with Japan too, anyone that wants to know how they dominated the electronics industry in the 70's/80's should checkout the book "We were burning"

BakaryonMar 7, 2021

The anglo-american repackaging of stoicism is precisely this: just a variation on hustle porn and blaming the individual. The same goes for mindfulness. Both of these industries (yes, they are industries) have been eagerly embraced by the private sector since they make fixing the mood of workers both a quantifiable goal and one where their own responsibility is no longer taken into consideration.

In We by Zamyatin and Brave New World, the non-medicated elements of society eventually rebel against the new order. In our case, the scope of medication is already starting to show its limits so I don't think we will get to the scenario you describe. This sort of life is just too inherently unsatisfying to be masked by meds, not to mention that workers now can directly see just how poor they are compared to their masters and just how much surplus the masters capture.

toygonFeb 12, 2017

Same with Neil Young's "Keep on rockin' in the free world", Dire Straits' "Money for nothing", and other songs even in other languages.

Personally, I've soured on the idea of being ironic in songs. Most people will miss the irony, they only listen to the catchy chorus, and more often than not, the lines you meant as absurd will be proudly paraded by the same people you were mocking. Take the recent "We the people" by A Tribe Called Quest: the chorus, taken alone, is a bigots' anthem on a catchy tune; I bet it will soon become a mainstay at neonazi rallies and the likes.

curi0ustttonOct 1, 2020

This a very personal opinion based on some popular classic book lists like those found on 4chan /lit/ etc.
(Note: All books are new and I calculated the price from Book Depository [0], you might be able to purchase more from Better World Books [1]):

- The Holy Bible
- Moby Dick by Melville
- The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoevsky
- The Master And Margarita by Bulgakov
- Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes
- The Iliad by Homer
- The Odyssey by Homer
- Meditations by Marcus Aurelius
- The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandra Dumas
- The Decline of the West by Oswald Spengler
- The Qur'an
- The Prince by Machiavelli
- The Art of War by Sun Tzu
- Crime and Punishment by Dostoevsky
- The Confessions by Saint Augustine
- Les Miserables by Victor Hugo
- We by Yevgeny Zamyatin
- The Book Of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi
- The Bridge on the Drina by Ivo Andric
- Bosnian Chronicle by Ivo Andric
- Growth of the Soil by Knut Hamsun
- Storm of Steel by Ernst Junger
- All Quiet on the Western Front by Remarque
- The Divine Comedy by Dante

--- This list totals out at 311.14EUR and has 23 books.
[0] - https://www.bookdepository.com/
[1] - https://www.betterworldbooks.com/

js2onAug 3, 2015

Nope, Total Recall was based on "We Can Remember It for You Wholesale." I wonder what story you are thinking of?

Edit: yes, apparently: "In 1966, the late Philip K. Dick published the novelette "We Can Remember It for You Wholesale." A movie based on the story will be released next year; this book is a novelization of the script and the original novel" -- http://www.amazon.com/Total-Recall-Piers-Anthony/dp/06880520...

clarkmonJune 27, 2013

For what it's worth, his Encyclopedia Dramatica entry [1] is in the series "Leaders of Anonymous", along with Sabu, Ryan Clearly, etc. It's pretty well known that he was heavily involved, but like most things on IRC and 4chan, the text is ephemeral and/or private, so there's no good records other than miscellaneous pastebins.

On the other hand, I found a decent comment [2] from someone who seems to know what they're talking about that suggests he was just an eager journalist that got pulled too far into this whole thing.

For a quick overview of much of Anonymous's history, I recommend the documentary We are Legion [3]. It features an interview with Barrett Brown, and I think has a much better handle on the whole situation than most MSM reporting does.

[1] https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Barrett_Brown

[2] http://www.reddit.com/r/anonymous/comments/zt41f/barrett_bro...

[2] http://wearelegionthedocumentary.com/

dallosonJan 22, 2014

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_%28novel%29

George Orwell averred that Aldous Huxley's Brave New World (1932) must be partly derived from We.

Orwell began Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949) some eight months after he read We in a French translation and wrote a review of it. Orwell is reported as "saying that he was taking it as the model for his next novel."

samlittlewoodonMar 29, 2010

- David Marr: "Vision"

The foundations of computational neroscience - and lots of practial demonstrations of how your eyes and brain work.

- Daniel Dennett "Consciousness Explained"

How the mind works?

- J.E Gordon: "The new Science of Strog Materials" & " Structures, or why things don't fall down."

How is 'stuff' strong/hard?

- Steve Grand: "Creation" & "Growing up with Lucy"

The programmer behind the game 'Creatures' and his adventures in artificial life.

- Joseph Campbell: "The Hero with a Thousand Faces"

Never look at Star Wars in the same way again.

- David Deutch: "The Fabric of Reality"

Many worlds or mad as a box of frogs?

- Richard Leakey & Roger Lewin: "The Sixth Extinction"

We're doomed - maybe

- Braitenberg: "Vehicles"

Emergent behaviour from simple rules

- Ian Wilmut, Keith Cambell & Colin Tudge: "The Second Creation"

How Dolly the Sheep was made. Takes you through the background such that you can read & understand their paper which appears at the end.

- John Brunner: "The Shockwaver Rider"

Snowcrash - hah! - 1975 and this dude got it already.

Other general authors:

Martin Gardner, Greg Egan (lots of free stuff on his site).

ArkyBeagleonDec 25, 2014

If there was a genocidal nightmare in America, the German version was much more explicitly ... distilled. Various Midwestern doctor-phrenologists wrote treatises on whether or not freed blacks-former slaves-were human; Der Paperhanger and others read this tripe. Science!

The American version was also very slow-motion and not all that universal. If you take the tack of "We Shall Remain", that part of Manifest Destiny looks cast around the time of King Phillip's War. Throw in Jackson's denial of Worcester v. Georgia...

Various figures treated the Amerind at least as distinctly human, just ... unfortunately placed. General George Crook seems to be one of the more sympathetic. I'm also biased by Daniel Goldhagen's work in what he calls "eliminationism" and it's not clear that the... management of the Amerind qualifies, by his own words. IMO, Goldhagen clarifies many of the touchy rough edges of "genocide" in an attempt to make it distinct from plain old warfare.

cambalacheonFeb 3, 2021

But that is a very simple-minded take. You just have to read "Down and out in Paris and London" to notice people suffered and suffer a lot in the "perfect" western world, so Orwell didnt have to "imagine" material to describe a dystopia, London, Paris or Moscow would have worked just the same, although for different reasons. Sometimes a soviet writer had a way better life than a worker in the west. Zamyatin was part of the soviet intelligentsia, and wrote "We" as a 36 year old writer in 1920 when the USSR was barely 3 years old. And yes he did it against what he perceived was an alarmingly increase in the totalitarianism of the new regime, but it is not like he had passed 10 years in the Gulag by then.

People in the west dont know how to calibrate the experience of people in other societies, for the man in the street what really sucked was the economy, not the totalitarianism, because an argument for the same lack of control of ACTUAL political and economical power can be made for the citizens in western countries.

By the way, Zamyatin also wrote "Islanders" where he satirized, and criticized all the hypocrisy, frivolities and arrogance of the English middle classes which he apparently detested, but you rarely see that work lionized in The Guardian or here, I wonder why.

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