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steinuilonFeb 6, 2017

His other talks are great too! My favourite is "A Whole New World".
https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks

z1mm32m4nonSep 20, 2015

There's the rather entertaining talk "A Whole New World" by Gary Bernhardt1[1]. The first time I saw it I was quite disappointed such a system didn't exist.

[1]: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/a-whole-new-world

Analemma_onNov 2, 2016

Gary Bernhardt's "A Whole New World" had a cool vision for what the future of editors might look like: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/a-whole-new-world

j88439h84onMay 25, 2019

I just watched your talk, and found it very interesting, thanks for sharing it!

I hope you can do the data flow analysis. That would be so cool and SO useful.

Python certainly has the ability to collect the data. A couple existing tools make use of this.

For example, MonkeyType and Birdseye observe the values that are passed around by tracing execution during test runs (or even during a production run, but the performance impact can be substantial). https://github.com/Instagram/MonkeyType https://github.com/alexmojaki/birdseye

Even more information can be gleaned from the gc module (see https://mg.pov.lt/objgraph/ for a tool using it).

These tools make good progress, but I'd be very interested to see what a software-visualization expert would come up with.

I'd also love to see how a concurrent execution tree can be visualized. For example, the wonderful Trio concurrency library is built on a tree of concurrent tasks. It would be so cool to see which events are happening at the same time. I've never seen a visualization of how it'd work. (The Trio team is also extremely friendly on their Gitter chat.) https://github.com/python-trio/trio

Structured logging is yet another exciting area. Can we generate visualizations from logs in OpenTracing/OpenCensus format? Some existing work is https://github.com/jonathanj/eliottree

Gary Bernhardt's "A whole new world" talk https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/a-whole-new-world proposes extracting data from logs and highlighting important lines from tracebacks and and slow lines from trace timings in the editor.

I haven't used Structurizr, but it seems interesting. Do you have thoughts on it? https://structurizr.com/ has a python port at https://github.com/sixty-north/structurizr-python

angleofreposeonMar 6, 2019

Gary Bernhardt has a good take on this in his talk A Whole New World [1]. He introduces an editor which has these layers which can display or hide orthogonal information such as types, a short view or profiling details. That talk, and your comment and my inability to find anything that does this kind of work simply surprises me. Are there no good examples of systems that allow these kind of simple transformations out there? I remember someone pointing me to a clojure editor a while back, maybe? I can't remember.

Seems to me there is a desire for editors that allow a user to transform code, whether it be annotations or raster graphics as Bernhardt puts it. The closest I know of is org mode, and how it works on a plaintext interface but has no qualms about displaying it in wildly different ways than an org file might look opened up in vim, though it still does maintain readablity. I think this is the way to go and I've been playing around with a personal workflow on top of org mode lately. What do you think?

[1]: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/a-whole-new-world

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