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jccalhounonDec 1, 2018

I think a better comparison would be owning the original manuscript. I might own the original manuscript to The Hobbit but that doesn't mean I can publish it.

thoughtsimpleonDec 12, 2012

>> "Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon is about twice the weight of The Hobbit."

>And how many times have you seen someone reading a book that size on the subway/bus/ferry? ;)

Good point. You may have convinced me.

mark_l_watsononMay 29, 2010

My grandmother read The Hobbit to me when I was 8. I read it to my stepdaughter when she was 8. Awesome book that we all enjoyed. Why the question?

raleighmonMar 27, 2021

Was unaware of this. Can’t wait to play this with my kids this weekend. We recently finished The Hobbit and have been reading Choose Your Own Adventure books. They’ll love this.

DangitBobbyonApr 17, 2021

I was never able to read all the way through the books myself; they were much too dry for my taste. I did quite enjoy The Hobbit though, and I think the LotR movies are fantastic. It's an excellent cinematic universe, IMO. There is so much there to build a story upon.

projectileboyonJuly 6, 2009

I'll chime in: I read The Hobbit to my 7- and 4-year old kids, and they loved it. We're also reading (and enjoying the artwork of) The Adventures of Tintin.

mathattackonMar 9, 2018

After rereading the Hobbit, I wanted someone to arrest Peter Jackson for vandalism. It was such an awesome reread!

jrochkind1onApr 3, 2021

I would ordinarily say I bought a copy of The Hobbit, but I guess if I said "Hey I bought The Hobbit the other day", people would assume I meant the book.

I'd normally say "I bought a copy of ISO 8601". In this case I think the author thought it was a little funny to say "I bought iso 8601".

jonny_ehonJan 6, 2013

What's wrong with Laurel and Hardy?

Don't forget that The Hobbit is an adaptation of a childrens book. I think a bit of slapstick fits right in.

sizzzzlerzonAug 23, 2018

As eager as I would be for a Foundation TV show, I think about Dune and what an abomination that was. Similarly, I loved The Hobbit, but Jackson's trilogy was all but unrecognizable. With few exceptions (GoT, for example), multi-volume novels are made well.

kaipakartikonNov 15, 2012

I quite liked the following
1) Angelmaker
2) Gone away world
3) The Hobbit
4) Fables the comic seriers
Non fiction
1) Steve Jobs
2) Thinking fast and slow

Have a look http://blog.kaipakartik.com for the books I enjoyed reading

akvadrakoonNov 1, 2018

Most everybody knew who he was in the 90's and The Hobbit was standard fantasy fare - probably the most popular book in the genre.

It's also the basis of the whole high fantasy western culture, including D&D.

banku_broughamonOct 18, 2017

For me the most painful and infuriating example of this was The Hobbit trilogy.

emodendroketonAug 21, 2018

I did not like the Hobbit, but other door-stop books like Moby Dick and Crime and Punishment I really have enjoyed. Seems stupid to stop because you didn't like one book. Would you write off movies if the first one you saw were bad?

me_smithonJune 9, 2020

The Hobbit - Tolkien
Wizard's First Rule (Sword of Truth Book 1) - Goodkind
Faith of the Fallen (Sword of Truth Book 6) - Goodkind
Ender's Game - Card
1984 - Orwell

I'm looking to read Asimov's Foundation series again. Maybe spend more time with Hyperion.

jamesjguthrieonDec 27, 2012

My favourites, not in order:

Cabin in the Woods

Looper

The Hobbit

House at the End of the Street

Can't remember much else really. Also seen Twilight but I'd only really recommend that as a date movie.

iandanforthonMar 9, 2012

My favorite is Tolkien. The Hobbit was published when he was 45.

To points made by others though he was a professor of English at Oxford for many years prior and wrote copiously during that time.

jdlygaonMar 2, 2020

Tolkein originally had the "tall, beautiful, elder people" race to be fairies in his earlier stories. The elves in The Hobbit were very different from what they ended up being in Lord of the Rings. They were more mischievous and Santa Claus elf-like. It looks like he combined the two ideas for his later books.

ifoundthetaoonDec 23, 2015

The Hobbit - Liked, classic.

How Ideas Spread - It was decent, I feel like it could be condensed into an infographic after the fact, and hold great value.

The Lean Startup - Excellent. Changed the way I do business.

A Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice and Fire, Book 1 - Great book, wonderful universe. Apparently Martin loves himself a good descriptions of clothes.

A Clash of Kings: A song of Ice and Fire, Book 2 - Great book.

Diary of a Wimpy Kid - Good book for a kid, pretty irritating kid though (the kid in the book, not mine).

The Andromeda Strain - Excellent!

Christ the Sum of All Spiritual Things - Great book! Very healthy view of a Christocentric theology.

Dracula - Sleeper hit of the year. This book was awesome.

Pippi Longstocking - Read this to my son, and we really enjoyed it.

The Secrets of Power Negotiating - Helped me out during the process of buying a house by understanding various negotiation gambits. Would recommend.

Scrum - Another book that changed the way I work. Would absolutely recommend it.

The Wizard of Oz - Much better than the movie.

The 4-Hour Workweek - .... It was "okay". I don't know. I'm still torn.

The Swiss Family Robinson - Awesome book, full of fun things to talk about with your kids.

The BFG - This was the start of the Roald Dahl stage for bedtime reading.. It's a great book, one of my favorite Dahl books.

Matilda - Reading this as an adult, it was not nearly as fun as when I was a kid, however my son loved it.

The Fantastic Mr. Fox - Fun and easy read for the kids.

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - Pretty decent book.

Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator - Terrible. Absolutely terrible.

jakebasileonApr 10, 2018

I love Tolkien's The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings and find the world he built intricate and fascinating, but I'm not sure how I feel about the posthumous work his son has released. I know they were based off his father's extensive notes and manuscripts but for reasons I can't put my finger on it seems somehow cheapened. I have yet to try them so anyone with more informed opinions on their quality would be welcome to tell me I'm wrong.

stereoonApr 17, 2010

Their control group isn't very good. My hypothesis: listening to The Hobbit distracts you, and it's harder to concentrate right afterwards because you're still thinking about the book in the back of your mind.

vmilneronMar 31, 2020

I went through what I suspect is a common experience in that I had The Hobbit read to me at school at about 8, then read LOTR to get more hobbits. Even though the vocabulary was far too difficult for me, the experience of getting through a 1000 page book at that age, gave a massive boost to my reading and writing ability.

jmagoononSep 15, 2014

Are you saying a child's imagination isn't part of the real world? How about books? The Hobbit isn't 'the real world', either.

dasil003onJan 24, 2018

I think what you're perceiving is Tolkien's world-building ability. Given that that was his greatest strength and unique as it goes, I don't think the comparison is quite fair. I mean, he submitted Silmarillion drafts for a sequel to The Hobbit before doing Lord of the Rings. I can't imagine any other fantasy author ever living up to the bar he set on that axis, it doesn't mean they can't be better in other ways.

redficheonNov 21, 2011

I was really disappointed to find no ebook version of Raold Dahl's books, so I bought most of them in paperback and read them to my boys. Now I'm reading them The Hobbit on my Kindle. Prior to that we used several interactive reading apps on the iPad.

ghaffonApr 10, 2018

For me, it's not so much that they cheapened anything but that I never found them terribly interesting. Both The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings were great stories (for the most part) set in a richly imagined world. But that doesn't mean I want to plod through hundreds or thousands of pages about the background mythology in great dry detail.

javajoshonDec 28, 2020

First, I've made no pretense about speaking for Haskell's interests, I am speaking strictly about my own wishes. While I think our interests are aligned, I'll let you be the judge. What would be good for me as a curious developer interested in the language, and who has had a years-long low-level FOMO about it, I would like to be able to wade in and do something with it, like I did with Clojure and Erlang, confident that I could, in the end, make it do stuff (since others had already made it do stuff, first).

I do really honestly believe that Haskell needs a "paragon project" like Matrix or Jepsen that has proven itself useful to the world without respect to its Haskellness, and then show that this solution was much easier in Haskell.

I keep getting down-voted on this thread, and I expect it to continue. Friends thought I was nuts to give up on Lost after season 1, or The Hobbit after movie 1, or the GoT books after book 3. After years of hearing much talk and seeing no walk, I'm giving up on Haskell. More than that, I'm going to call out anyone talking it up to give specifics because literally everyone I've every spoken to about it gives it a very high regard, but have never, ever written a line of it.

pdonisonJan 18, 2020

Thanks for the kudos! I'm glad you liked the essay.

I have lost count of the number of times I have re-read Tolkien's works. I first read The Hobbit in 7th grade, and went right on to LotR. It was some time before I was able to get my hands on a copy of The Silmarillion (the hard cover edition--I still have it), but I remember reading it almost straight through once I got it, because I was so keen to see what was in it after reading the appendices to LotR.

2snakesonSep 9, 2019

Vasistha’s Yoga - highly useful for understanding and transcending psychological conditioning, using mind to master mind.

Early books: Arrow to the Sun and Grimm’s Fairy Tales and Hans Christian Andersen and The Hobbit - all very stimulating to imagination.

ConceptJunkieonJan 17, 2020

I started reading "The Hobbit" to my oldest son when he was about 4. He loved it. What astounded me, though, was that his little brother, who was only two at the time sat and listened with great intent. I didn't do the voices, but in retrospect, I should have. I realized later how much fun it was.

Of course, maybe I shouldn't have been surprised. When we bought my second son the hard-bound original stories of Thomas the Tank Engine, which was filled with wonderful art, he literally sat and paged through it for like 45 minutes straight. And he wasn't even 2 yet at the time.

I also read my kids "The Wizard of Oz", all the original "Winnie the Pooh" books, "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" and many others, including the usual short-form kids books like Dr. Seuss and P.D. Eastman when they were really little. I miss reading to my kids, but eventually we couldn't all fit in the bed together... (Plus, they're all adults now.)

brudgersonMar 25, 2021

I've read many many books that have changed my life.

That's probably one reason why I read.

To say that Pound's translation of the Analects was more profoundly important than the Tao and Faulkner's The Town and Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and The Hobbit from my youth and The Three Little Pigs read nearly nightly to a child doesn't make sense.

Sometimes I walk through Castaneda's world.

Sometimes Knuth's.

Other's I am in my head with Vonnegut.

Profoundness is out in the world.

And many books point to it.

GeekyBearonAug 13, 2019

I tend to rearrange the letters in a word, and also add letters that are not there and/or remove letters that are there.

For instance, I read The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings trilogy and genuinely thought that the Wizard's name was Grandalf.

I had a tough time in grade school learning to read and write, but I credit my Grandmother constantly reading to me for giving me a strong desire to learn to read myself.

njharmanonAug 24, 2011

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao_Te_Ching
The translations vary greatly. (from making it sound like new age mumbo jumbo, to mystic mumbo jumbo, to a profound philosophy), need to find one that's right for you.

"The C Programming Language" by K&R (I read this very young 12-13, it's life changing aspects probably had a lot to do with my age)

"The Hobbit" by J.R.R. Tolkien

"Welcome to the Monkey House" by Kurt Vonnegut Jr.

okeyonSep 21, 2016

I agree he didn't invent the genre, although he certainly helped popularise and develop it.

"plenty" perhaps oversells the genre pre-Tolkien, and also afaik Jack Vance didn't start writing until well after The Hobbit was published, so I'm not sure he belongs on your list - William Morris would have been a much better example as a direct precursor to both Tolkien and Lewis.

asharkonDec 12, 2016

The Lies of Locke Lamora is easily the best-written fantasy novel I've read—save perhaps The Hobbit, but that's fairly unlike modern adult fantasy. It's sad that thorough competence at storytelling is a rare quality in genre fic but, well, here we are.

Book two he gets a little too nuts with sailing junk and wow that plot device at the end is awfully familiar, but it's still got some nice world building. Three's back to form (though I'd favor the first one, slightly).

neumann_alfredonJan 18, 2013

The Hobbit is a story for kids; and by the point grown men make million-dollar budget movies out of it, there isn't much of the original life left, anyway.

The original contract is super short; the movie contract is extremely bloated... maybe it really does take a lawyer to call that bloating "an impressive piece of work". Impressive would have been to make a children's movie out of a children's book, instead of doing whatever with it and staining the careers of otherwise fine actors, just because it can't fight back and money is nice to have.

If this offends anyone; good. The existance of all these movies, their treatment of legit stories for children to turn them into brainless crap ala Star Wars, offends me as well.

falcolasonMar 17, 2021

> YA is a fairly narrow collection of genres and its writers can succeed by relying on too many tropes.

YA, as pointed out in sister threads, includes books like Catcher in the Rye, The Hobbit, Ender's Game, Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, and so forth. Stereotypes like this one hurt these discussions quite a bit. Stereotypes also prevent people from reading good books.

> Young adults would be better served by ignoring YA in favor of the wider book world

I might agree with you if it was only authors who were intentionally targeting those genres. It's not. Publishers will take general books and market them as YA. I know of some really good authors who have been shoehorned into the YA market (Forthright, as one example).

> books written before the YA genres existed

YA has been around for over 200 years now. The YA category (as opposed to children's) came about around 1802 (per Wikipedia).

stormbrewonAug 23, 2018

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with taking a sparsely plotted novel (like The Hobbit or Foundation, both of which have a lot of details happen off-stage and sometimes bafflingly so) and fleshing out the details.

The problem with the Hobbit movies is just that they did that very badly.

ycombineteonAug 30, 2017

I travel a lot, and while I'm on the road my fiance often struggles to get to sleep. I've got a small microphone that I travel with, and I record myself reading Winnie the Pooh stories, and chapters from The Hobbit. I host them on my website, and she can open it up and listen to a chapter.

Children's stories are better for this, as they are usually written with the view of being read aloud. Plus they also make better bedtime stories :)

Steve44onAug 27, 2018

One extreme example I remember very well is The Hobbit on the ZX Spectrum. It was an illustrated text adventure using graphics to add atmosphere and interest. I suspect they used a drawing programme with scripted commands to minimise memory usage at the expense of time and sometimes fine detail to draw them.

There are a couple of good examples at 4:57 onwards. Link at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f3PFfK-9Gk

Edited to add there is a video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9qrZC7WUio of the 128k Spectrum version. Looking at the speed I suspect they pre-rendered the images in the background and used the extra memory to store them and then copy the completed image to display when needed.

ghaffonNov 7, 2017

Ditto. The Hobbit as a book was "OK" but if it was all Tolkien ever wrote, you'd probably never have heard of him. The films were overpadded and filled with the worst of the current excess of movie CGI action sequences. Like you, I never bothered with the third.

Tolkien did, however, create a very detailed and very rich world. There's plenty of backdrop there on which to write new stories whether or not they hew to anything specific that's already been written in that universe. On the other hand, there are plenty of rich worlds that authors have built over time. And most of them don't carry the baggage and weight of expectations that anything associated with Tolkien inevitably would.

ADDED: As noted elsewhere, the rights to other Tolkien works would have to be obtained.

sswezeyonAug 28, 2020

Exactly, its like binge watching a television show instead of piecemeal. You don't have the cliffhangers since you don't have to wait a week or a year to find out what happens next. A key tool to build suspense is rendered useless.

On the other hand, splitting a book that wasn't meant to be serial can make certain sections feel meaningless - they aren't meant to be taken separately. A perfect example is the movie adaptation of the Hobbit: you had two movies that felt unresolved and one movie that just dropped you in right before the climax of the book.

_broodyonJan 2, 2015

Wow. I just read that article yesterday while browsing for some critiques of The Hobbit Part 3: Alfrid's Quest[sic], and I was nodding furiously all the way through. Brilliant, brilliant framing of the state of Hollywood.

I was ensnared by franchise hype for the last couple of years, and seeing this film was the turning point for me to stop and reflect that not one of the dozen+ franchise movies I saw at the theater in this time managed to remotely live up to my expectations.

I believe all is not lost, though. Other industries have shown the public eventually fatigues from such exhaustive, quality-less milking. Personally I've had my fill of being duped with franchise marketing, and next time I start thinking of wasting my money on one more of these ridiculous plot-less, CGI-bloated rehashes, I'll look for a decent original movie to wash the temptation off.

florenonOct 31, 2018

I got the Lord of the Rings "pocket" set about a year ago and I really liked everything about them. For reference, here's someone else holding "The Hobbit" with the other books visible too: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VM9ZInBNPw4/hqdefault.jpg

The covers are some kind of faux-leather so they fall in between a hardback and paperback book; they are flexible, but the covers don't fold like a paperback. The binding was, in my opinion, excellent; you couldn't lay the book open, but you also didn't feel like you were cracking the spine when you were reading. The paper is quite thin but tough enough, and I didn't find that the other side showed through or anything. They were harder to read in dim light due to the smaller type, but they were laid out just like a full-sized book.

IIRC I paid something like $30 for the set on Amazon. I would absolutely buy other books bound in the exact same way.

p_lonMar 30, 2020

Heh, we were close in age when we read The Hobbit then :)

I don't remember exact age, but I think I was 6yo, and I think I was already in first year of primary school, very early into it.

The rest is history, Hobbit was a big book and now I devour million-word epics for light weekend reading.

I also encountered the 8bit game, but much, much later, during my first forays into retrocomputing as 12yo :)

justin66onApr 19, 2019

I think the "medieval" terminology is a little dated anyhow. I guess Harold Bloom's categorizations and listings and so on are a lot more authoritative now (they sure pop on a google search) and it doesn't look like he uses the term. I have no real opinion on how much any of that matters.

Memory is unreliable but I recall my high school class using a pretty good textbook that included Beowulf with both old English and modern translations, but also the chapter of The Hobbit where Bard shoots the dragon, which stylistically invited some interesting comparisons. It was a pretty good lesson for a high school kid who was also a fan of Tolkien, back before that was something you could be without reading any books.

adrianratnapalaonOct 6, 2017

If your kids can read at 3, then good. But the power-tool argument allows for flexibility.

I think I was a little slow, or at best normal in picking up reading as a kid. But for whatever reason, by about the age of 8 I was reading well ahead of the rest. So I never read The Cat in the Hat, but I read the The Hobbit long before most kids.

And I'm glad, because that second level is where the real power-tool lies. There's little point reading non-fiction at Cat in the Hat level. But there's plenty of facts available that are simpler to read than The Hobbit.

That isn't to say I didn't learn other stuff: my favorite childhood book was about science. But it had lots of pictures, and when fist got it, my parents read an explained it to me.

twodaveonJan 16, 2020

Last year, I finished reading The Lord of the Rings to my girls. Before that I read them The Hobbit. It took about three years to finish it all, but it was a great for them as an opportunity to learn about a variety of topics (language arts in general primarily, but especially vocabulary). The experience was also good to me because, while I'm typically prone to skim through less interesting passages, it forced me to read every word.

I adopted voices for the different characters to keep them interested, and to give them something to look forward to, I would not let them watch the movies until we finished reading the corresponding volume of the series. We had so much fun with this!

I'm extremely thankful for Christopher's work because the movies (which were released when I was a teenager) were my first introduction to his father's work.

dash2onJune 24, 2020

> Perhaps, one can say that Tolkien is 20th century‘s Shakespeare

Hmm, I doubt it. The Hobbit is fun, but many adults returning to LOTR think "gosh, this is long, dull and badly written". Here's an example, which is also a more interesting review than the unherd one:

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v23/n22/jenny-turner/reasons...

corporalagumboonJan 6, 2013

A lot of "tough shit" responses here. I like to sympathise with sensitive people - I think Tolkien was clearly a very sensitive, quiet, private man, and Christopher similarly. I don't think Tolkien ever imagined his work becoming as popular and mass-culture as it did. He took it so seriously I think it would have shocked him. And from the way this article describes it, Tolkien's work formed the bedrock of a very sensitive, private, tender father-son relationship - and that bedrock is now being smeared around every cinema and toystore in the world. Rightly or wrongly, that must hurt a lot for Christopher.

Perhaps nothing should be allowed to remain private. Perhaps privacy is an affront to the rights of the people. But I don't think so. I think everyone has special, private things from their lives - special things they would be upset to see appropriated and distorted at will by other people with little to no understanding or reverence for the meaning those things hold to you. Christopher is only different because the things that made his childhood special and to which he feels protective have become an unstoppable blockbuster film series.

Hell, I can sympathise. Maybe it's just snobbery, but damned if I don't feel disgusted by the shameless, opportunistic faux-Tolkienism whipped up by by New Zealanders in the wake of the films. Nobody in New Zealand gave a shit about Tolkien before the movies. It was only when people realised that it was going to be huge that suddenly everyone became a lifelong Tolkien fan and every farmer next to a film site was running a Hobbit tour... You know, my grandpa read The Hobbit to me when I was young, and he even has a photo from when he met Tolkien (before the books took off.)

Edit: On another note, I think it's a bit rich for Hackernews readers to criticise Christopher for snobbery/possessiveness - after all, the whole bloody point of Hackernews is to discourage average internet users, prevent that 'Eternal September' thing - and maintain a conversation to an elite-defined standard. Everyone has their own snobbish preferences I think.

nf05papsjfVbconNov 6, 2018

If you have access to a good library, it's a good place to try various types of books to see what you like. Ultimately, what you will be reading a few years later is hard to predict from what you start reading now. However, in the beginning, finding something that "hooks" you is the best bet because it gives you the experience of being absorbed in a book. These are the books with which I have introduced some people to the world of books:

- The Lord of The Rings

- The Hobbit

- Dracula

- The Little Prince

- Animal Farm

- Asterix and Obelix comicbooks

- Siddhartha

For the next time, I'm going to try "Necronmicon" (H. P. Lovecraft!)

(EDIT: Formatting and added "Siddhartha")

205guyonJan 17, 2020

It's great to see so many reading parents here. I read The Hobbit and LoTR to my daughter starting when she was around 9. It must've been almost a year per book because we finished last year when she was 13. I had to explain some of the subtler passages and backstories, but she got much of it. We watched the movies together this year and she picked up most of the differences (though even I didn't pick up on the deep changes in Eowyn's character, as linked in another comment here).

I had read the books as a teenager in the 80's, 20 years before the movies existed, the same paperback books from my father that we re-read together. I was happy to re-read them, because I had missed much of the poetry (as noted in other comments here) and forgotten some of the story. I had seen the movies in between, but I'm referring to the deeper stories and in-book legendaria that the movies didn't cover. Despite the changes and omissions (and Hollywood effects), I still think the movies did a good job, as good as could be expected.

BTW, we started reading Little House on the Prairie when my daughter was 4, and also read all of Narnia and a few others before Tolkein. Reading with your kids is a great way to re-discover the books of your childhood (or discover, because I'd never read LHotP).

misterman0onJan 17, 2020

OT, but his style is so dense in that book. Why did he write it like that? I've never been able to finish it. I find it almost impenetrable. The Hobbit I read with joy and ease even as a young child. In LOTR, sometimes after reading a paragraph I needed to pause to digest and to connect the dots. In The Silmarillion I need that pause after each clause.

This sucks, because I _need_ to know what's in the book.

ben_wonMar 29, 2021

I was raised liberal Catholic by an atheist father and an eclectic hippie New-Age-Catholic-Hindu-dowsing-crystals-homeopathy-and-runic[0]-divination mother, for the purposes of getting into a good school.

While it is fair to say that one specific fundamentalist young-Earth creationist Baptist certainly turned me from “it isn’t true but it doesn’t matter” to “it is actively harmful for people to believe this”, I should also say that the liberal version of Catholicism at my school — liberal enough to not explicitly condemn abortion or homosexuality, even though this was the U.K. in the 1990s and Section 28 still in force — had terrible sex education which completely ignored the existence of e.g. chlamydia, and I do think that was due to the religion given how quickly I learned about it the moment I moved to the next step in my education.

The open-mindedness may have been good for me as a teenager going through a goth-paganism phase, but it also meant she gave my dad homeopathic remedies when he got bowel cancer, and she got Alzheimer’s 15 years younger than her mother “despite” her use of Bach flower remedies for memory.

[0] naturally this meant I learned to read the outer border of the Allen & Unwin edition of The Hobbit, and the text in the hand drawn maps inside: https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/...

garmaineonJune 6, 2018

Yes, go read a biography on Tolkien. I read multiple biographies as part of a school report many, many years ago. It's even alluded to in the original prologue to LotR, although not made clear enough for a general audience. IIRC he talks about how he generated fake historical accounts--timelines, genealogical trees, descriptions of wars, etc.--for his "hobby" (not as his hobby, but for his hobby, that hobby being what is now called "conlanging", specifically art-conlangs). He showed these histories (what would become The Silmarillion and other works) to friends to see if they thought anyone would be interested in reading them. He was emphatically told NO, and so he picked a story and told that as a story instead.

The world of the Lord of the Rings exists solely for the purpose of providing an explanation for the evolution of his made up elvish languages, which was the real interest of this professor of linguistics. That it was published at all was an accident of the fact that people liked the bedtime story he wrote for his son (The Hobbit) which drew inspiration from his linguistically-driven worldbuilding.

benjismithonDec 18, 2020

YES! These are pretty much exactly the methods I used when I developed my project http://prosecraft.io

You can see the emotional story arc -- the shapes of the stories -- for more than 16,000 books.

I train a Word2Vec model on the vocabulary of all those books (almost 1.5 billion words) and then I use a clustering algorithm to score all those words on a sentiment scale of 1 to 10 (where 1 is the most negative and 10 is the most positive). Then I break the books into 50 equal-sized chunks and aggregate the positive and negative scores for each chunk.

You can click on any of the chart segments to see a word cloud of all the words that contributed to the positive and negative sentiment of that chunk. You can really see the ups and downs of the stories, as the protagonists struggle to overcome their obstacles, when you look at those charts!

Here are a few of my favorite example books to show people:

The Hobbit

http://prosecraft.io/library/j-r-r-tolkien/the-hobbit/

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

http://prosecraft.io/library/j-k-rowling/harry-potter-and-th...

Animal Farm

http://prosecraft.io/library/george-orwell/animal-farm/

I first encountered this method not through Vonnegut but through the "Hedonometer" project, at the University of Vermont Computational Story Lab. They use this technique on the twitter firehose, to measure the overall emotional arc of the world, as expressed in social media.

https://hedonometer.org/timeseries/en_all/

There's an excellent episode of the podcast Lexicon Valley where they discuss the hedonometer project, with the researchers at UVM who developed it...

http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/lexicon_valley/2015/0...

neumann_alfredonJan 18, 2013

I've seen LOTR, and I read the book (at an appropriate age too haha). I "know" The Hobbit is no less pompous and derpificated a conversion. Just looking at still images of it is enough for me. The good guys are good looking, the bad guys are ugly, music tells you what to feel every step along of the way, all of that crap; I know it, and I don't see anyone denying it. So I'm simply trusting my intuition on this, you know?

How much shovelware do I have to take before I am allowed to skip one? I don't even think Tolkien was the greatest author ever (there's just so much random stuff in LOTR for example), but for me there is bounds and leaps more humanity in one of any of those books than in all LOTR movies combined; so unless I missed the dude remarking that LOTR was horrible, and that he is making The Hobbit differently to make up for it, I know that for me this thing is going to be neither subtle, nor beautiful. I just didn't want to point all of this out in detail because it makes me seem like such a snob, I'll take the "troll" thanks. If this stuff is fine art for you, I'll be rolling in the dirt having fun.

lelandbateyonMay 28, 2014

If I may chime in with my own anecdote:

My Dad reading to me as a kid are the most cherished memories I have. I'll never forget how wonderful it was to sit on the floor with my brothers while my dad settled into hid dads big old rocking chair to read to us.

My dad has always been a busy guy, so it means all the more to look back at my life and realize that my dad set aside 2+ hours a night just to read to me and my brothers for nearly 5 years. This display of consistency and loyalty to his family makes me emotional even now just thinking about it.

Additionally, the books my Dad read really helped me connect with him. He read to us the same books he read as a kid: A Thousand and One Arabian Nights, The Chronicles of Narnia, The Hobbit, all of Sherlock Holmes, Peter Pan, and many more. Having been exposed to the same media, it helped my brothers and I relate to our dad, and makes our relationship stronger to this day.

Read to your kids. It's an easy "parent-child" activity, and if you start with material that's interesting, you'll both enjoy it.

pm90onJan 6, 2013

I'm in the minority; I enjoyed The Hobbit even fully aware it suffered from First Film Syndrome. (Just had a thought: Peter Jackson should film Dune next, so he can annoy two posthumous estates.)

I didn't know there were 3 films, so I was so annoyed at the ending that I went back and read The Hobbit. And you know what? The movie is actually a pretty good adaptation.

somewhat <SPOILER ALERT>:

The battle of five armies, which will show up in the last movie is likely to be much more epic than the book, based on Jackson's renditions of other battles of Middle Earth.

</SPOILER ALERT>

I would go one step further: Peter Jackson's adaptation has been nothing short of fantastic. He's been pretty faithful to the LoTR story, but his movies have sparked interest in Tolkein's universe among those who would have never known about it otherwise. None of my friends would even consider reading the Hobbit or LoTR, but they've all seen and enjoyed the movies. (A tiny minority even tried reading the book). Now, its something that we enjoy talking about over many afternoons

thorinonMar 30, 2020

The Hobbit was important for me too. I wouldn't have read it without the C64 adventure game (same with Color of Magic). I was probably only around 7 years old so it was a big book and took me a while to get through and kicked off a love of reading. Around the same time I read the whole Narnia series. Then next came the Lord of the Rings which was a multi-year epic for me.

Strangely, the Fighting Fantasy series was also a big influence - a cousin gave me Citadel of Chaos just after it came out and it really pushed my interesting in books and a an only child I tracked down almost every solo roleplaying booking I could find.

I also loved Eric the Viking ( the Terry Jones version ), which I now read to my children and The Odysseus books that Tony Robinson wrote that kicked off an interest in mythology.

bstpierreonOct 23, 2014

In "The Hobbit", Bilbo Baggins is a boring little non-noteworthy hobbit who rises to his circumstances. The same thing applies to Frodo in LOTR.

I read James Patterson's "The Beach House" on a pair of short plane flights this past summer. It's a commercial/pulp thriller. The MC doesn't acquire any superpowers during the story except for becoming a badass willing to take significant risks when his life and that of his friends is on the line.

Edit to add: Jack Ryan, especially in the early Tom Clancy novels.

In any story worth reading the main character won't stay "normal" for the duration. The protagonist's change through the course of the story is part of the point of telling a story.

DanAndersenonJune 7, 2018

For anyone interested in the development of LotR over time, I really recommend listening to the Signum University online lectures going through the History of Middle-Earth series. Dr Corey Olson is going through each of the volumes in turn and offering great analysis of how the story began to emerge, just as you describe.

The lecture playlists (so far) can be found at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUxTFUltO4uXhEfqgI6GtIg/pla... .

Notable things about Tolkien's writing process:

- LotR was originally just meant to be a shorter sequel to The Hobbit. It's always fun to see his early notes about how few chapters he expects the book to take.

- When The Hobbit was first released, it was emphatically not part of the full legendarium that Tolkien was working on, re: the Silmarillion. He borrowed heavily from his private stories about the Elves, but it wasn't until he was writing LotR that he actually realized that everything was all connected into the same continuity.

- Tolkien was extremely conservative in his writing, in a waste-not attitude. He hated to just cut out things he had written, and instead would do a lot of recycling and reworking so that bits of dialogue and description he had done in earlier drafts would be preserved but with their context completely altered.

- Tolkien sometimes claimed that his worldbuilding started with a map, and then he placed a story inside of it, but looking through his early notes shows that's not quite true. He tended to think in terms of a series of adventures he wanted his characters to have, and would wiggle around locations on his still-nebulous maps to make the distances work (he was very particular about getting the distances and travel times all right!).

jfengelonJuly 16, 2021

In Tolkien's case, that's not just obscure stuff. The Silmarillion is widely considered "canonical", but it was published after his death, with countless editorial choices by his son. In most cases, later writings explicitly contradict the ones Christopher chose.

He chose them because they were the ones most compatible with the other published works, because his father could never revise them. (Unlike The Hobbit, which as revised to make it more compatible with upcoming The Lord of the Rings.)

He was specifically chosen for the job by his father, who may not have agreed with the choices but was unequivocal that Christopher was the one to make them. Christopher himself has said that he'd change some decisions if he were to make them again, but that's true for any author.

To me, I'd just as soon The Silmarillion bear Chrisopher's name. Not as a matter of honor, but as a matter of clarity to fans who want to know what's "really" Tolkien.

bjustinonDec 19, 2012

The title for The Hobbit (the book) is "The Hobbit or There and Back Again"[1]. It is about the journey.

[1] http://www.amazon.com/The-Hobbit-There-Back-Again/dp/0618150... or see the end of Return of the King where Frodo adds the "Lord of the Rings" title under Bilbo's title.

derrizonMar 27, 2021

A warning before filling your kids with anticipation: I loved The Hobbit and Choose Your Own Adventure books as a kid but I remember being very disappointed with this game - maybe it demanded more commitment but I gave up on it after a few days. I found it inscrutable at the time - characters coming and going at random, fighting with the parser trying to express my intentions, unclear progression, not enough humor, etc.

I reckon later graphical adventures - the Lucasarts ones for example, would provide a better shared experience. Can’t wait to try Monkey Island with mine when old enough.

SteuardonJune 1, 2017

I used to sometimes see random volumes from the middle of The History of Middle-earth series sitting in airport bookstores. I'd look at that and just feel sorry for anyone who thought "Oh, I loved The Hobbit! I'm looking for something to read on the plane: maybe this book The Shaping of Middle-earth will be fun." Even Unfinished Tales or The Silmarillion could be more or less reasonable there, but this felt like tricking people into buying a specialized third-year college textbook.

UnfalseDesignonJan 16, 2020

I also read The Hobbit to my 3 daughters when they were younger. Whenever I read to my daughters, regardless the book, I would make up different voices for each character. I will admit that making 13 different voices for the dwarves pushed my dad skills to the limit! When they later watched the films, they would respond, "That's not what they sound like." It did my heart good.

I'll second the overwhelming thankfulness to Christopher Tolkien for everything he did to keep Middle-Earth alive. May his journey into the West be swift for I have no doubt that he would be welcomed into Valinor with open arms.

FiatLuxDaveonJuly 12, 2018

The book I have re-read the most is The Hobbit. It is comfort food to me. I have had to purchase a new copy because my old one is becoming fragile, and it has a lot of personal meaning to me. That old copy was given to me as a child by my grandfather. He was given that copy by C.S. Lewis while he and my grandmother were staying with him at the Kilns. I can only imagine one place where C.S. Lewis would have obtained a copy of The Hobbit.

There are usually two different reasons why one might re-read a book. Sometimes it is to see the book again through older eyes which have seen and known more. Other times it is to try to re-capture the emotional experience of living in that story. I find that I tend to come back to certain books much more often for the second reason than for the first one. I might feel the desire to re-read Quantum Computing without Magic or Theory of Internal Combustion Engines once a decade at most. But when I'm feeling that the world is a confusing place and I need some simplicity in my life, I'm ready to take a journey to the Lonely Mountain.

dharmononDec 6, 2016

It has a lightheartedness and desire to be fun that I just don't see anymore. I don't know if filmmakers (directors, writers, and actors alike) feel the need to be serious in order to be taken seriously, or if they are just afraid of putting themselves out there in that way.

A good recent example is The Hobbit. It should have been a lighthearted adventure (like the book), but was instead dragged out into a overwrought, heavy, 10 hour bore.

In contrast, while not an adventure, I really enjoyed Stranger Things because it just went for solid entertainment, not trying to make statements or be deep or whatever. And since Spielberg won't make movies like that anymore...

Maybe if filmmakers realized that the Oscars are a joke and not having one puts you in as fine a company as having one (Hitchcock, anyone?).

esoteric_wombatonJan 14, 2016

Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials is a solid choice. It gets dark, but so does Harry Potter, so fair game. I would say late grade school for the first book, adolescent for books 2 and 3.

Tamora Pierce has written a number of kid appropriate fantasy books with solid writing and strong female characters. I have seen countless grade school girls get hooked on her work. Some of her books just start to get into more mature relationship themes, but it's enough to embarrass your kid a bit, not scar them.

As a child I enjoyed C.S. Lewis, but was personally affronted when I got to the last Narnia book and discovered that good story had been compromised for christian allegory. Lewis won't make your child a bible thumped any more than Pullman will make them an atheist. Just make sure you know what your kid is reading, and find opportunities to discus the material with them critically!

Ursula K. Le Guin's Earthsea series is another excellent option. I believe when I read it in grade school I found the pacing too slow, so I skipped ahead a lot and inferred a number of plot points. Nonetheless, I'm certain I enjoyed it the first time, it influenced my view of fantasy literature, and I have returned to reread the series multiple times since.

The Hobbit is a great kids book.

Alison Croggon's Pellinor series is less well known, but perfect for pre/early teens that love fantasy.

The Enchanted Forest Chronicles by Patricia Wrede feature a princess who runs away from home to work for a dragon. Solid writing, strong female characters, Pratchett-esque subversion of fantasy tropes. Fun and appropriate for grade school kids.

Howl's Moving Castle by Diana Wynne Jones

That's off the top of my head. Of these books I consider Pullman, Le Guin, and Tolkien to be literature (worth an adult's time), while the others are just fun and well written.

garymoononDec 22, 2016

Tolkien's:
- Lord of the Rings
- The Hobbit

selimthegrimonFeb 27, 2015

I feel like he voiced an audiobook of LOTR or The Hobbit at some point?

zapperdapperonDec 3, 2018

Do you mean fiction? Non-fiction? Subject area?

For me, generally:

* Your Money or Your Life - Joe Dominguez (MUST READ)

* Is the American Dream Killing You? - Paul Stiles (MUST READ)

* Working Ourselves to Death - Diane Fassel

* Wind in the Willows - Kenneth Grahame (esp. the chapter The Wayfarer)

* The Hobbit - Tolkien

* The Hunt for Red October - Tom Clancy (amazing level of technical detail)

* 1984 - George Orwell (published in 1949 but never been more relevant)

Have fun!

labsteronJune 16, 2018

Not enough editing is a problem that happens in other media too. The Hobbit film trilogy (why?), Twin Peaks The Return, and Robert Jordan novels come to mind. Often kicks in when people don't have anyone with enough authority to tell famous artists "this scene sucks, cut it".

Netflix is a double-edged sword. You no longer need to fill time for a format, so you can murder your darlings to your heart's content. On the other hand, there's such a tiny incentive to make a show shorter, that there aren't enough voices telling directors to cut the dead weight.

josefdlangeonJuly 11, 2016

I've read, at the behest of my spouse, The Hobbit and the trilogy of the Lord of the Rings. As someone who was never really "into" the whole world Tolkien had created, I must say I was won over by the end. Who wouldn't want to be a hobbit? At least, a hobbit who is not Frodo.

Every year or two I give a light reading to Andy Hertzfeld's compilation "Revolution in the Valley", which is a print edition of many (and probably some extras) of the stories available on www.folklore.org

I am also midway through "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" (Robert M. Pirsig) and I must recommend it. It's got a lot of philosophy in it that I think is both accessible and transcendent all at once. It's actively changing my world view.

In terms of skills acquired, I don't typically read for that purpose. I learn skills primarily by active work, not passive ingestion of information.

mjounionDec 26, 2012

Signal and the noise by Nate Silver(Very nice read. Chapters on climate change and GDP forecasting were a bit slow, but everything else was a page turner)
http://www.amazon.com/dp/159420411X

Why I left Goldman Sachs by Greg Smith (Good insight into the 2008 financial breakdown and a look into the day to day operations of Goldman Sachs)
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Left-Goldman-Sachs-Street/dp/14555...

The Hobbit
http://www.amazon.com/Hobbit-There-Again-Illustrated-Author/...

Data Mining: Concepts and Techniques(Great intro into data mining)
http://www.amazon.com/Data-Mining-Concepts-Techniques-Manage...

Programming Collective Intelligence(You can play around with actual implementations of the concepts in the previous book)
http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Collective-Intelligence-Bu...

Ghost in the Wires by Kevin Mitnick (Was really nice to see the details behind Mitnick's adventures)
http://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Wires-Adventures-Worlds-Wanted/d...

On War By Clausewitz(Really enjoyed this book.)http://www.amazon.com/War-Carl-von-Clausewitz/dp/1448676290

akjssdkonApr 12, 2021

I think the author is also severely underestimating how early Tolkien starting working on his maps. The Hobbit (published in 1937) already came with a somewhat fleshed out map of the Misty Mountains and surroundings, and it is fair to assume that from this the remainder of Middle-Earth was fleshed out. (I cannot quickly find somewhere when he first drew a complete map of Middle-Earth, but Wikipedia notes that "The paper became soft, torn and yellowed through intensive use, and a fold down the centre had to be mended using parcel tape" [1]. So he probably knew what Middle-Earth looked like for quite some time, maybe even late 1930s?

To presume that Tolkien would have had an understanding of the then state-of-the-art theories around continental drift is a bit hopeful. In fact, plate tectonics did come to be accepted until the 50s/60s, so Tolkien could barely have known of the theory when writing LOTR and especially not when drawing the initial map.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolkien%27s_maps#The_Lord_of_t...

the_watcheronJan 14, 2014

Congrats on finding something that works. If you ever want to try reading again, try rereading books. It works pretty similarly to how old TV shows work for you (at least for me). As long as you stick to simple to read books (stuff designed for young adults but still interesting to adults works well: Ender's Game, The Hobbit, The Phantom Tollbooth, etc.)

electromagneticonMay 29, 2010

Agreed, but again this has to be taken into context, The Hobbit was a children's story, and LotR was originally its follow-up that developed into its own.

Today, I would classify LotR as as Young Adult novel and not an adult piece of fiction. Honestly, it's themes were vastly mature compared to the Hobbit, however they weren't exceptionally mature for the time it was written. Consider that Return of the King came out in the same year as Lolita, and Fellowship/Two Towers came out in the same year as Lord of the Flies, which is another 'adult' novel that is arguably a Young Adult novel, although IMO deals with a much more mature subject.

Hobbits are a long lived race. Frodo had only recently 'came of age' when the story begins, IIRC at 33 years old. Considering the traditional ages of 'coming of age' I'd bet he was the maturity equivalent of ~15 years old, and he certainly behaves like it in the beginning.

IMO LotR was a great YA novel, just like The Hobbit was a great children's novel. They're amazing stories that you can sit down and read with you kids, but you're not necessarily going to be enjoying them as much as they are, and in 20-30 years time, your kids might be reading them to your grand kids and feeling the exact same way.

ValleyOfTheMtnsonFeb 6, 2019

> You can't bequeath it to your heirs when you die, and you can't give it to a friend when you're done reading it

Related to this, something that has bothered me about using an e-book reader, and having a 2 year old son, is that I don't have the books on display for him to "stumble upon".

For now he's too young to discover new books off the shelf and read them to himself, but I'm conscious of this limitation with e-books. They're all "locked up" on the device. I got into reading because The Hobbit was on my parent's bookshelf and the cover of the dragon caught my attention.

I've thought about it for a while now and my solution is to read new e-books on a reader, and if they meet my ambiguous criteria of being "shelf worthy" I'll buy physical copies and put them on the shelf, in the hopes that my son will find them.

The Hobbit is already on there.

ctdonathonJune 5, 2015

When asked about paper vs e- books, lots of people will comment about preferring the former because of the "smell" etc. But...nobody walks into a bookstore and buys one because it smells nice. The linked article says similar about watches: lots of obsession about preserving the elegant mechanical essence...which has practically nothing to do with the reason a watch is bought, that being to tell time. Sure, given a desire to buy a book, or a watch, one may opt for the embossed leather-bound edition printed with a movable-type press, or the 300-component hand-carved self-winding watch, but the driving point is to read The Hobbit, or tell when to leave work.

We went thru this with music and photography. Tape & vinyl gave way to CDs which gave way to MP3 & AAC & FLAC. Film gave way to terabyte hard drives & multi-gigabyte flash cards. Sure, there's an occasional nostalgic resurgence of vinyl and film, but those technologies are largely relegated to artisan use. I was at Kodak when the photo industry pivoted; it's little more than a brand and a mostly-sold patent portfolio now.

There's the old line that when a news headline asks a yes/no question, the answer is invariably "no". So...no, the Swiss watchmaker won't, on the whole, survive the digital age. The Movado on my desk and the Apple on my wrist cost about the same, but one's on my desk and the other is used every few minutes for a variety of purposes (from accurate-to-50ms-and-50m time to up-next calendar to notifications to backup telephone to exercise monitor to mapping to ...). Yeah, the mechanical version (even a mere quartz movement, akin to an old literal-pulp novel) appeals more to the base senses, but given which will actually get near-constant use, well, ask Kodak how their film business is holding up.

elihuonSep 21, 2016

How much of it do people still read, that you'd be likely to find in a typical bookstore? Aside from George MacDonald and things that are similar but not exactly the same as modern fantasy novels, such as various collections of fairy tales and epics like the Odyssey, I can't think of any examples. The Chronicles of Narnia were published in the 50's, whereas the Hobbit was released in 1937.

pistaonApr 17, 2018

I usually end up skimming/skipping lengthy food descriptions in fantasy books.

My experience with fantasy books is The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. I tried LotR first, throwed it away after a few pages and, following advice from an expert, bought The Hobbit, that was a quick and enjoyable read. Then I turned to LotR, much better that time. But the third part was painful, not because the food, but the endless tour into Mordor. I skipped most of it, just scanning through pages to see if someone interesting showed. I guess there's a detail level beyond what regular readers get lost.

bshimminonJune 1, 2017

I've not read it either, for the same reason. I wish I'd never read "Go Set a Watchman" by Harper Lee - it really was a miserable experience and should simply never have been published, and I don't believe Lee was really in a position to give her consent.

I was a huge Tolkien fan as a child and tried to read the Silmarillion when I was about 10, having already read LOTR and The Hobbit multiple times by that age. I think I did finish the Silmarillion, but I found it tedious enough that I didn't look at Tolkien again for quite some years.

dansoonMar 7, 2013

I wonder how much of the thematic blindspot had to do with the technology of the day? The books were reportedly started on soon after The Hobbit (1939ish), before flight was the dominant theater for war.

Even though the books were not published until after WW2, when aerial warfare became the new front of war, it seems that Tolkien's main experience in war was the hideous ground fighting in WWI, and he himself rebuffed attempts to find parallels to WW2 in the LOTR series.

So while the concept of aerial war was not unknown, it may not have been the dominant thinking in Tolkien's time. And so, the idea that something pivotal could be conducted by just flying in by night was just easy to overlook -- not as in, he didn't think about it at all, just that it wasn't really worth a serious mention. Yes, obviously Tolkien lived through the part of human history in which the A-Bomb was dropped (though the books were on their way to being written at that point). But he's someone with a boots-on-the-ground worldview staging his book in the fantasy world in which flight is often not naturally experienced by the protagonists.

sdegutisonSep 15, 2014

My kids have read the whole Narnia series, The Hobbit, and Lord of the Rings trilogy. These almost never come up in their imagination games or other activities or any discussions. Like, at all, ever.

Contrast that with the time I let them play Minecraft for a single month, for only a few hours a day, and only a few days a week. For the entire month and a few following months, it was practically the only thing that ever came out of any of their mouths.

KineticLensmanonApr 12, 2021

I don't have a better link than yours, but books I own talk about maps of the wider Middle Earth (first age) being developed in the 1920s and 30s (e.g. a recognizable Silmarillion Map from the 1930s).

The mapping in The Hobbit was finalised in 1936 and published in 1937, and was started in the late 1920s. Detailed maps of Middle Earth for TLOTR were produced in the 1940s, e.g. a contour map of Minas Morgul from 1944, although I can't find a date for the first rough maps.

To my mind there is a bit of a tension between Tolkien's "I started with a map..." comment and the fact that the story took a while to settle [0] down on the core theme of the One Ring and the need for a quest through Middle Earth (hence the map) that would destroy it.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings#Writing

shawndumasonDec 21, 2010

16. The Hobbit – JRR Tolkien

potatoliciousonDec 12, 2012

> "Do people use iPads standing up or something?"

Not much, because it's too heavy to use standing up. Or rather, in the usual stand-up use cases (e.g., on a bus, boat, or train) you usually want to one-hand the device, and its weight prevents you from doing so.

> "The amount of time I spend using it while I have to hold it unsupported is minimal."

Is that because tablets naturally don't have "unsupported" use cases, or because the current implementation fulfills said use cases poorly, and therefore you don't use them that way?

> "Do people find the weight of hardcover books difficult to hold for long periods of time?"

While standing or one-handing it? Yes.

> "Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon is about twice the weight of The Hobbit."

And how many times have you seen someone reading a book that size on the subway/bus/ferry? ;)

edgarvaldesonJan 17, 2020

I started reading The Hobbit to my son (5 years old). We read half a chapter every night, or even less before he falls sleep. He loves it, and asks me to read to him when I almost forgot to do so. He asks A LOT of questions about new words and differences with the movies (he is a big fan of them). Our pace is quite slow, but it is a great time together.

slashcleeonJan 17, 2011

I think you seriously overestimate the competence of the “professionals” doing the typesetting on ebooks. Most of the ones I've paid for are shockingly awful. This includes ebooks like the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings, Ender's Game, or more modern titles such as Freakonomics/Superfreakonomics, or even classics like the Count of Monte Cristo or the Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, from a variety of sources, including the Kindle store, B&N's Nook store, and random independent ebook vendors like Books On Board and Fictionwise.

I've seen every error you can imagine, from the wrong table graphic being used to pathetic OCR errors or just plain typos. And the cover art, at least on most of the ebooks I've purchased, is nonexistent or extremely unimpressive. As a consumer, I certainly don't feel like ebooks are worth the prices being charged.

quakeonApr 10, 2018

It's consistent to a point. There have been several revisions of The Hobbit and LOTR over the years, but all were done by JRR himself I believe, and were done for continuity sake and detail. As far as the worldbuilding goes, it's exceptionally consistent. Considering the bulk of all work put out was done by JRR, with Christopher Tolkien doing editing passes during compilation. For instance, the Children of Hurin and The Lay of Beren and Luthien were described in LOTR and the Silmarillion, but were not included largely due to length and incompleteness (the Silmarillion is really just a Cliff's Notes version of the full Legendarium, allegedly).

As far as a timeline goes, several are available, but I would try to steer away from most wiki sites, as they have been, in the eyes of some, 'polluted' by the handling of the IP by non-Tolkiens. (ie the movies and games like Shadow of Mordor)

Geography of Middle Earth is a somewhat complex topic, but the big deal is that it goes through some drastic changes as part of the Silmarillion called the War of Wrath. Other than that large shift, the geography is very consistent. Tolkien really, really loves his maps.

MaultascheonJune 1, 2017

I first read the Silmarillion when I was about 15, and I found it a terrible boring slog. I concluded it was absolutely terrible.

10 years later I came back and read it again. This time I had read more mythology and understood the Silmarillion as a book of mythology. I very much enjoyed it the second time. I think age, experience, and expectations had a lot to do with how I viewed it that second time. It's a totally different book than the Hobbit or the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Anyone who isn't expecting that will end up disappointed.

arunabhonDec 26, 2012

NON-FICTION
1) Thinking fast and slow
(currently reading)

2) The Lean Startup
(Read when I joined founders institute, was helpful in quite number ways. Doubled it with same course on udemy )

3) Banker to the poor - Md. Yunus
(Got a chance to interview Md.Yunus,)

4) Business Model Generation http://www.businessmodelgeneration.com/book
(Quite a read, for business model generation. One can explain whole biz plan in 1 page)

5) The Dilbert principle

6) Steve Jobs

FICTION
1) The Hobbit
2) Ulysses
3) Sense of ending

rachelandrewonNov 18, 2015

According to my parents I could read at age 3, I can certainly remember petitioning my father to be allowed to read The Hobbit when I was 5. My mother got into trouble when I started school because the teachers didn't know what to do with a 5 year old who could read and write!

I was taught by the "look and say" method, now not used in British schools at least. They teach phonics now. Interestingly my daughter is dyslexic and struggled horribly in school to learn by the phonics method. It was when I started teaching her the old fashioned way that she picked it up.

theSpaceOctopusonJune 1, 2017

I agree, I've read The Silmarillion multiple times.

The Bible reference makes sense but I've always thought of it as similar to reading a history book. That's essentially what it is, a history of the beginning and the first 2 ages. Whereas The Hobbit & the trilogy are narrative accounts of a very small portion of the third age.

TerrettaonOct 25, 2019

If you want to aim for the epic feel of, say, Tolkien, try the New English Bible (“NEB”) from the dynamic equivalence school, which reads like literature and formats poetry as poetry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_English_Bible

Tolkien was at Oxford in 1925 - 1959, and wrote The Hobbit and LOTR during that time frame.

NEB was kicked off in Oxford and Cambridge in 1946.

ptaipaleonJan 3, 2017

I'm not a native English speaker. I could throw in that the best thing regarding learning I did (in addition to buying a home computer) was to get J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit (which came with the adventure game) which in turn led me to read LOTR and then other books in English, and generally become much more fluent.

Later on, wasting time reading NNTP news at the uni was also actually a good investment for learning the language in a way that is useful at work.

For my kids, the games have again been the same thing, along with Harry Potter books.

artumi-richardonFeb 25, 2016

What fun:

I have recently been reading The Hobbit with my 6 year old son Benjamin stop he has become engrossed in the book somewhat and then just hearing about the Adventures of Bilbo Baggins and Gandalf as well of course as mine growing are a diary Norrie tilly tilly Bailey and wailing not forgetting the king Under the Mountain himself starring oakenshield Gollum Gollum

GeekyBearonJuly 13, 2020

This is a bit much, but let me give you a couple of real world examples of names that I've read over and over yet somehow managed to misread every time.

I read the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings trilogy many times, and managed to see the name Grandalf instead of Gandalf every single time.

I was looking up a quote from a former Intel CEO just tonight and found out that his name wasn't Paul Ortelli, but Paul Otellini.

I insert letters that are not there, remove letters that are, and reorder whatever is left all the time.

Yet somehow, I'm also a speed reader.

zapperdapperonNov 13, 2017

1. Your Money or Your Life - Joe Dominguez
2. Is the American Dream Killing You - Paul Stiles
3. The Odyssey - Homer
4. Collected Works of Ted Hughes
5. DK Eye Witness Guide to Thailand (on second paper copy)
6. Lonely Planet Guide to Philippines (on third paper copy)
7. The Hobbit (about 4 reads to date)
8. LOTR (3 reads to date)
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gcvonMay 30, 2010

I found the critique misleading. It doesn't make sense to disparage Tolkien's Middle Earth writing without taking his background into account. He was a scholar of Anglo-Saxon legends and literature written in Old Saxon, Old Norse, and Old English. He was also a linguist who worked on the Oxford English Dictionary for two years. He was an expert on Beowulf; one of his most celebrated scholarly works is "Beowulf and the Monster Critics".

The writing in The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion echoes the style of the work he studied and taught. I understand that many modern readers find the style and language alien; after all, the English language and English literature evolved considerably since Beowulf. Tellingly, the author of the critique compares Tolkien to much later authors, all of whom use ordinary 20th-century (American) English. Tolkien is a modern writer who consciously adopted an older cadence, and the author of the critique does not seem to understand this.

(It's worth noting that The Hobbit and the first chapter of The Fellowship of the Ring use a whimsical, less-grandiose style. I don't have a good explanation for this, except to guess that they originated in bedtime stories for Tolkien's children.)

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