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vladsanchezonOct 6, 2020

100% agree! I've always wanted to read "The Art of War" and I just started it while type-practicing. I must add that it will likely improve your reading retention.

malux85onSep 27, 2018

Absolutely! The Art of War is excellent for general strategy. I've found it good as an abstract strategy book and have applied it to negotiations and business, but because it's so general it might be a bit of a stretch to get programming strategy out of it.

leephillipsonMay 11, 2018

Leaving aside fiction (but if I weren't I would put Hamlet at the top) to focus:

The stoic classics mentioned throughout these replies;

Reinventing the Sacred;

The Art of War;

Descarte's Error;

Free Will by Sam Harris

Introduction to Probability Theory

skdotdanonMar 27, 2017

The Art of War. Honestly, I re-read it every year!

markyconAug 11, 2011

fwiw, "The art of war" would also make a great read for the 'guerrilla' entrepreneur :)

hendleronOct 3, 2010

I haven't read the fictional works of Musashi, but his own warrior manual "The Book of Five Rings" is quite good, like "The Art of War". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Five_Rings

przeoronJuly 22, 2016

1) "how life imitates chess" Garry Kasparov

2) "how life imitates chess" Garry Kasparov

3) "how life imitates chess" Garry Kasparov

Highly recommended, very good read and smart book. I would call it the modern version of The Art of War.

24gttghhonSep 16, 2017

Maybe they read The Art of War and actually took it seriously? The entire final chapter is about espionage.

And chapter III:

> It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles;

itazulaonAug 26, 2014

I can see Uber, Lyft, and traditional taxi drivers reading Sun Tze's The Art of War. Well, maybe Uber and Lyft.

ericdonSep 17, 2017

I'm sure a lot of people start reading The Art of War because of a cargo-culting impulse, but it actually does have some interesting thoughts in it. You might enjoy it.

jaspertheghostonJan 29, 2009

I would recommend:
1) The Art of War by Niccolò Machiavelli (read by Napoleon)
2) Certain to Win by Chet Richards (talks about OODA loop by John Boyd)

apotheononSep 1, 2009

The real payoff in that book for computer science oriented people is the end, where Dawkins basically invents memetics as a field of study.

The Art of War is good, too, though.

veddoxonOct 17, 2015

Having done a paper on cyber war for school, I was surprised to find that the two books that were quoted most often by war theorists were Carl von Clausewitz's "Vom Kriege" and Sun-Tzu's "The Art of War" - one is 200 years old, the other 2000...

jl87onDec 8, 2015

I enjoy reading books like The Art of War and the Prince, so I decided to show people how Trump is using similar tactics.

leobuenoonMar 27, 2017

Both are great books. Influence helps me a lot to deal with my 3 year old. Should be on the parenting section on bookstores.

I also like The Soul of a New Machine, The Prince, The Art of War and On Human Nature.

hgaonMar 13, 2010

A friend of mine found this to be true for Sun Tzu's The Art of War.

I found something akin, not so much "interactions" as in understanding the "why" about many human things, in reading Richard Dawkin's The Selfish Gene.

ChrisAntakionOct 8, 2013

All warfare is based on deception. Therefore, when capable, feign incapacity; when active, inactivity.

— Sun Tzu, The Art of War

betterunixonAug 30, 2013

You should read The Art of War:

When we are able to attack, we must appear unable...

The amount of money you spend on one area of intelligence work versus some other area speaks volumes about your plans, priorities, capabilities, and so forth.

rinchikonOct 10, 2019

The best war is the war that can be won without a single fight, without a single battle.

A great accomplishment with no waste of resources.

The Art of War by Sun Tzu is quite a read. Did you read it? Well.. your enemies are reading it.

brock_ronJune 11, 2015

That's straight out of Sun Tzu's The Art of War.

thingamarobertonApr 9, 2015

Maybe you'd like to follow that up with "The Art of War", by Niccolo
Machiavelli? :)

I'm in the middle of Paulo Coelho's "The Zahir". The next one in line is
"Thinking, Fast and Slow", by Daniel Kahneman. I'm really looking forward to
that one!

ApocryphononMay 28, 2012

I appreciate it. Too often the simplest aphorisms are the ones we forget first. The Art of War is a classic book that offers mostly simple and intuitive advice, yet is popular because that advice stands the test of time and is too often forgotten by people who need it.

chubsonAug 10, 2011

If you're serious about beating that shipping-yourself-difficulty, read Pressfield's book 'the art of war'.

brilliantdayonMay 6, 2013

That lessons seemed similar to the book written by Sun Tzu "The Art of War".

kibaonSep 3, 2009

"Thus, though we have heard of stupid haste in war, cleverness has never been associated with long delays." - Sun Tzu, The Art of War

willciprianoonMar 3, 2021

Sun Tzu - The Art of War

From negotiations to strategy my boy Sun Tzu has never let me down.

pitayonOct 5, 2016

Are you talking about "The Art of War" by Machiavelli or "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu?

Edit: Thanks for the clarification.

phausonOct 5, 2016

Edit: Apparently I'm not as cultured as I thought. I didn't know Machiavelli had his own version of "The Art of War". Obviously, my previous comment was unqualified.

However, I did read "The Prince" and I think there's a lot most can learn from it. While I find the majority of the book reprehensible, there are many powerful people in our society that seem to think of it as a bible / instruction manual. Given the fact that such ideas still play a significant role in our society; I feel it is worthwhile to learn about them.

TiomaidhonJune 28, 2011

Here's the teaser from the link. I don't own the book and thus have nothing else to translate.

Title: Search Engine Hacking with Google, Bing & Shodan
Author: Enrique Rando

Pages: 272

Price: 20 Euros + Shipping (includes IVA)

Though it's been 2500 years since Sun Tzu wrote "The Art of War", many of his lessons remain relevant. His teaching contains several passages that seem especially suitable for people who work in Information Security:

* "Those who disable foreign armies without combat are the best teachers of the Art of War."

* "Before you fight, first learn the skills of the enemy's workers, and then fight them according to their weaknesses."

* "When you can perceive subtlety, winning is easy."

Without a doubt, this information is key in preparing for attempted security breaches. Without it, determining what to attack and how to do it is impossible. Search engines have become important tools for collecting data and other intelligence. However, despite Google hacking's many years of use, its techniques have perhaps not always been well-treated or publically shared.

r34onDec 12, 2018

Ernst Jünger: Annäherungen. Drogen und Rausch (not transleted to english? I've read it in polish). Great piece of essay.

The Art of War by Sun Tzu - bit sad

2 books by Greg Egan: Distress & Teranesia

The Invention of Nature : Alexander Von Humboldt's New World

DMT: The spirit molecule

One Hundred Years of Solitude by Marquez (WOW)

The book of dead philosophers by Simon Critchley (funny!)

& some more (I have to start noting it down :P)

Currently: The Systems View of the World by Ervin Laszlo

300bpsonDec 8, 2013

Thanks. I just downloaded the free version. Seems rife with typos - example:

While you are may be reading this book out of curiosity, we hope it interests
you in learning more about using Sun Tzu’s system to make better decision.

Also uses difficult-to-follow formatting. Concludes with an infomercial-esque sales pitch for additional products:

At this point, you have to make a decision. This is appropriate because Sun Tzu teaches the science of making better decisions. At this point, are you satisfied just being able to say you read The Art of War? Or do you want to develop real skills you will use every day?

hedgehogonJan 29, 2009

"The Art Of War" is great, I read this version when I was 13 but I would still recommend it as a good place to start before getting another translation or other books:

"Sunzi Speaks: The Art of War"

Tsai Chih Chung

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0385472587

Some online reading that you might find interesting:

http://www.ingber.com/combat97_cmi.ps.gz

http://www.ndu.edu/inss/Symposia/joint2008/papers/Hoffman%20...

http://www.ndu.edu/inss/Symposia/joint2008/papers/Warden%20P...

http://www.dodccrp.org/files/Smith_Complexity.pdf

ucee054onJune 9, 2013

In the Monkey King Legend the heroes are warned not to overwhelm the monster by a reference to the Art of War by Sun Zi.

If I remember correctly, the translation is "even a rat will fight if cornered", though today we might mutter something about "asymmetric warfare" in response to "full spectrum dominance".

Sun Zi wrote in about 500BC. So it's not like you were warned yesterday. You've had 2500 years of warning.

Expect kamikaze attacks. They happen. Especially from people who feel they have nothing to lose, and feel under attack from very, very strong opponents.

PrefixKittenonDec 20, 2020

I clicked to specifically mention that book as a staple. That book was the single handed reason for the largest jump of my programming skill while in university.

I'd also recommend a comprehensive book about networking infrastructure if you haven't read on already. I don't think a specific one is necessary in this case.

I think the content in The Art of War is good to know in software too especially with how widespread espionage has become in those areas.

pimmenonSep 9, 2019

The Art of War by Sun Tzu.

It might be a bit of a cliche but it really is profound and is actually more useful than I first thought. Especially "show strength at your weakest, show weakness at your strongest" is something that I've used during negotations and presentations. It sounds like common sense when you read it, because you've seen a lot of this stuff work out ahead of reading it, but it's only once you read it that it becomes abstract and defined enough for me to apply it.

MongooseonMar 29, 2010

The Art of War is definitely worth at least one read.

the_afonFeb 13, 2020

Oh, yes, agreed! And of course it's worthwhile to read The Art of War, because it's an interesting book.

But note I was talking about those worthless derivatives "The Art of War for Business", "The Art of War for Entrepreneurs", etc. Those rely on Sun Tzu's work being generic enough it can be applied to whatever, so it's hilarious to find out it maybe wasn't... exposing those derivative books as the trash they truly are.

madmax108onSep 13, 2018

Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse

Never really been one to enjoy popular books on philosophy (Alchemist was overrated, Monk who sold his Ferrari cliched, The Secret just boring ...IMO) and picked this up at a used book store. The book truly put a new perspective on life for me.

Perhaps it was a combination of the time when I read the book: Undue stress, massive imposter syndrome, that feeling of not moving ahead in life, and the oh-so-messed-up quarter life crisis, but this book was an absolute eyeopener for me.

Find your own meaning in life, and live your own philosophy instead of aping a "master" (spiritual or otherwise) because a "master" is someone who has shaped his own philosophy and that will almost NEVER completely apply to you. In the book, when the titular Siddhartha realises this and starts off on his own journey, something clicked within me and I started making genuine attempts to get past my (mostly) self-imposed problems in life. Can easily say this book helped me get through confusing times and come out better on the other side

Truly a life-changing book for me, and no wonder it's been popular for over half a century!

----

The Art of War, The War of Art (except the final bits of the book) and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance come in a close second, each having shaped the way I look at decision making processes and influenced my general life strategy

deadfallonJan 16, 2014

I use to ride the train from San Francisco to Sunnyvale and was able to read a lot of books. I had to be careful though because if I got too into the book I would miss my stop.

Audio Books:

Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection by
Charles Darwin -- https://librivox.org/the-origin-of-species-by-charles-darwin...

The Art of War by Sun Tzu -- https://archive.org/details/art_of_war_librivox

Gulliver’s Travels by Jonathan Swift --
https://archive.org/details/gulliver_ld_librivox

Podcasts:

Ruby Rouges (ruby programming talks/programming in general)-- http://rubyrogues.com/

StarTalk with Neil Degrasse Tyson (Space, comedians, science) -- http://www.startalkradio.net/

rhizomeonOct 4, 2016

You don't have to be a lit crit to come to a solid conclusion that Rand should not be followed as a life plan. I feel the same way about "The Prince" and "The Art of War," both of which I haven't read because I don't want them poisoning my brain.

cbanekonMay 9, 2018

1. Mythical Man Month - obvious reasons

2. Deathmarch: The Complete Software Developer's Guide to Surviving 'Mission Impossible' Projects- also a classic.

3. Thinking fast and slow - a great introduction to biases that will affect your thinking in any project.

4. The Art of War - strategy and tactics for attacking any problem. My personal favorite translation is by Thomas Cleary.

sudostephonFeb 5, 2019

1) "The Beginning of Infinity" by David Deutsch - This book allowed me to embrace a sort of rational optimism in my world view. Also I was convinced by this book that the true test of a good government is not about whether you can pick the right leaders every time, but about being able to remove the bad ones relatively quickly.

2.) Candide by Voltaire - contributed to my personal sense of humor and belief that we live in neither the best nor worst of all possible worlds, but simply the most absurd of them.

3) The Art of War by Sun Tzu - Helped me understand the power of small effeciencies in large systems and the importance of metagaming.

solostonNov 3, 2010

I just finished The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss and started Red Seas Under Red Skies by Scott Lynch. For those of you reading Ice and Fire or who have finished all of the current work I recommend both of these series.

I also look at The Book of 5 Rings and The Art of War on a regular basis.

teleforceonJan 12, 2021

This is probably one of the oldest complete manuscripts that I've (partly) read in addition to the Tsun Szu's The Art of War and the Bible.

It is interesting to note that monasticism is neither prescribed nor enjoined in the Bible, in both the Old and the New Testaments [1]. It is, however, mentioned in the Quran that monasticism is rather an invention by the People of the Books namely Christians and Jews [2]. According to the Quran, it's invented for the monks to seek God's good pleasure, but apparently most of the monks do not observe it as it ought to have been observed. Perhaps this book and manual from St. Benedict provided us with the most authentic and comprehensive descriptions of the rules of the monks' observations during the classical antiquity. By reading the rules I can appreciate why the monks have failed observe them ;-). Adding to the fact that it predates the Quran, these type of observations that were probably being referred to by the Quran.

Fun fact, there is an Ashtiname (Book of Peace), a letter sent by Muhammad to the Saint Catherine's Monastery [3]. The purpose is to guarantee the safety of its monks living there against any potential aggression by the Muslim individuals or army. Given the monastery is still exist and standing today despite of being there for more than a thousand years under Islamic government rule is probably the testament of the effectiveness of the covenant provided by the Ashtiname.

[1]https://theorthodoxlife.wordpress.com/2013/12/12/monasticism...

[2]https://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=57&verse=26...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtiname_of_Muhammad

giardinionJan 24, 2021

One line of reasoning: China has ~3x as many people as US, so if we want to keep up with them, we'll need 3x our current intellectual manpower. So we need enough AI to make up the difference.

This having been said, there's no substitute for luck. Even Sun-Tzu ( author of "The Art of War"), when discussing whether skill or luck was best, said that he would prefer luck. Problem is, you can't count on luck.

python_kissonMar 15, 2007

"Know your enemy and know yourself, find naught in fear for 100 battles. Know yourself but not your enemy, find level of loss and victory. Know thy enemy but not yourself, wallow in defeat every time." - Sun Tzu, The Art of War

I keep a very close eye on my competitors. I follow their rss feeds, coverage on blogs, and features that make them better than us. I am surprised this is even up for a debate.

spangryonMay 9, 2017

This idea isn't even a particularly new or unusual one. When faced with a superior enemy, fighting opportunistically is an old as dirt strategy. People have continued to use it for literally millennia because it's effective.

Force is tilting the balance of power to your side by gathering advantages. Warfare is the Way of deception. Therefore, if able, appear unable; if active, appear inactive; if near, appear far; if far, appear near.

If your enemies have advantage, bait them; if they are confused, capture them; if they are numerous, prepare for them; if they are strong, avoid them; if they are angry, disturb them; if they are humble, make them haughty; if they are relaxed, toil them; if they are united, separate them. Attack where your enemies are not prepared; go to where they do not expect.

This strategy leads to victory in warfare, so do not let the enemy see it. - Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Relatively speaking, I'd say 'our enemies' are extremely strong. Probably best avoided (for the moment) if the overall objective is victory.

gffrdonSep 22, 2016

apologies for the long delay in reply …

I'm not deeply-read on the topic, but here are a few others I've liked …

· Certain to Win: The Strategy of John Boyd, Applied to Business by Chet Richards. This one in particular analyzes heavily blitzkrieg tactics, and how disorientation and morale are some of the most effective "weapons." Has many good cross-references.

· The Art of War by Sun Tzu. Military strategy and conflict philosophy. Basically, the philosophy that undergirds the blitzkrieg: lots on gaining advantage, using morale, turning "deficiencies" in to advantages, etc.

· Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink. It's rah-rah and a bit repetitive, but has some good bits on team dynamics, element of surprise—if nothing else, an interesting glimpse in to the dynamics of high-functioning military units.

So far, Grunt has touched on military uniform fashion design and its role in psyche … we'll see where else it goes, but an enjoyable read thus far.

dredmorbiusonNov 23, 2020

At the critical moment, the leader of an army acts like one who has climbed up a height and then kicks away the ladder behind him. He carries his men deep into hostile territory before he shows his hand.

He burns his boats and breaks his cooking-pots; like a shepherd driving a flock of sheep, he drives his men this way and that, and nothing knows whither he is going.

To muster his host and bring it into danger:—this may be termed the business of the general.

-- Sun Tzu, The Art of War, Book 11. The Nine Situations
https://suntzusaid.com/book/11

marcodiegoonFeb 14, 2021

By exercising strategical thinking. Some people also suggest reading "the art of war" or "50 laws of power".

okareamanonJuly 5, 2021

“Keep your friends close and your enemies closer”

~ The Art of War. Sun Tzu (5th century BCE)

twiconMay 6, 2020

I have a copy of The Art of War which also has The Book of Lord Shang in it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Lord_Shang

cbanekonSep 9, 2019

The Prince by Machiavelli, 1532

Chuang-tzu, 4th century BC

The Art of War by Sun Tzu, 5th century BC

Romance of the Three Kingdoms by Luo Guanzhong, 14th century AD

rcameraonJune 2, 2012

I have read The Art of War at least 12 times in the past few years, from multiple translations, and my favorite one is from Ralph D. Sawyer: http://www.amazon.com/The-Complete-Art-Of-War/dp/0813330858/...

Translations can be extremely different, most of them are pretty vague, and many are just plain wrong. The above one is known between scholars to be one of the best translations out there, if not the best. He also gives a very nice 46-pages-long introduction to the context of where the book was written, and about who Sun Tzu was. Other than that, there at the end of each chapter there are some good comments from him, explaining certain aspects of it, which is good for the first reading.

I would stay away from the free ebooks/versions, I haven't yet found one with a good enough translation, and that causes issues like for example, the sixth chapter (one of the most important ones, in my opinion), which usually has a completely different interpretation in the free ones I've read, because of the bad translation.

blargmaster33onAug 11, 2020

The Art of War - Sun Tzu

Is a must for ANYONE that is involved with the leadership of men.

curi0ustttonOct 1, 2020

This a very personal opinion based on some popular classic book lists like those found on 4chan /lit/ etc.
(Note: All books are new and I calculated the price from Book Depository [0], you might be able to purchase more from Better World Books [1]):

- The Holy Bible
- Moby Dick by Melville
- The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoevsky
- The Master And Margarita by Bulgakov
- Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes
- The Iliad by Homer
- The Odyssey by Homer
- Meditations by Marcus Aurelius
- The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandra Dumas
- The Decline of the West by Oswald Spengler
- The Qur'an
- The Prince by Machiavelli
- The Art of War by Sun Tzu
- Crime and Punishment by Dostoevsky
- The Confessions by Saint Augustine
- Les Miserables by Victor Hugo
- We by Yevgeny Zamyatin
- The Book Of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi
- The Bridge on the Drina by Ivo Andric
- Bosnian Chronicle by Ivo Andric
- Growth of the Soil by Knut Hamsun
- Storm of Steel by Ernst Junger
- All Quiet on the Western Front by Remarque
- The Divine Comedy by Dante

--- This list totals out at 311.14EUR and has 23 books.
[0] - https://www.bookdepository.com/
[1] - https://www.betterworldbooks.com/

feralonSep 5, 2011

"Sun Tzu said: The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
[...]
Hence the skillful fighter puts himself into a position which makes defeat impossible, and does not miss the moment for defeating the enemy."

* * * * *

I think the spirit of what is being said in 'The Art of War', is the same principle that's being discussed in the article: Don't rush into striking before you are sure of victory, and lose everything; instead use the advantage to build yourself into an invincible position, with less risk.

* * * * *

'The Art of War' has been around a long time.

If there's a lesson here, its that strategy gamers might benefit from doing some reading.

I liked the article, and thought it was good; but it comes across that the author has no education in either (economic) game theory, or the study of game playing AI (e.g. minimax, search based AI techniques like you'd see in a chess AI etc). (Two related, but sometimes separate fields).

Which is fine - but there's a lot of good work in those fields, that strategy gamers, that seek to understand games analytically, as well as intuitively, would do well to read.

g0tham-onNov 23, 2017

In terms of near-universal applicability, Sun Tzu's 'The Art of War' comes to mind. You could substitute every occurrence of the words 'war'/ 'opponent' /'enemy' with just about anything you are looking to master / defeat.

captain_price7onFeb 12, 2020

I think this line, and in fact the entire essay, isn't meant for general people, rather fellow academics. In the very next sentences author writes- "The Art of War’s brevity and malleability will ensure it remains a popular and frequently quoted classic in the West. But for those seeking deeper insight into the evolution of Chinese strategic thinking, it remains an important but insufficient means to that end."

fotbronApr 4, 2018

Sun Tzu's The Art of War, O'Reilly's SQL Pocket Guide, Numerical Recipes in C++, an old GW-Basic manual, and a reprint of the first edition of Machinery's Handbook.

Most of my work is boring old enterprise apps in java, c# or c++; the GW-Basic manual is a relic from my first computer that I keep around for sentimental reasons. Numerical Recipes is referred to on occasion, as is the SQL pocket guide, the other two are good for taking a 5 minute break from things.

filipoionFeb 3, 2018

Why "The Art Of War"? - I've read it with pleasure but tbh I've never known how to use those thought...

mike_langonOct 5, 2016

EDIT: I as well assumed you were referring to Sun Tzu. I can't speak to whether my comments hold for Machiavelli's at all.

If you've lumped "The Art of War" into the same category in your mind as Ayn Rand's writings, I suggest you to read it. You may find yourself pleasantly surprised. Aside from being both commonly cited as influential (in greater or lesser unfortunate ways), there's really about zero similarity between the two.

sverigeonJune 13, 2016

Actually, "natural rights" or at least "rights of citizens" is an ancient idea that goes back at least as far as Ancient Greece and further developed in Republican Rome. It was revived greatly with the writings of Machiavelli (who, when you read not only The Prince or The Art of War, but also his Discourses on Livy, was arguably the most ardent republican of the Renaissance). These ideas were picked up by Locke and others and greatly influenced the thinking of the Founding Fathers (please don't downvote me just for calling them that; I'm old).

The U.S. Constitution was the culmination of centuries of thinking about political power and is remarkable for its distrust of absolute power. Unfortunately, that distrust has been slowly eroded over the last nearly two-and-a-half centuries, beginning with Marbury v. Madison and currently at such a state that presidents enter into war without an act of Congress, judges make law from the bench, and Congress dictates to the executive which cabinet positions must be filled.

It was a great experiment, but actually already a failed one in the sense of the original debate back in the 1770s and '80s.

KuiperonJune 1, 2012

The Art of War is a work that I often hear recommended, but I seldom see endorsements for specific translations. Can anyone who is familiar with the work remark on which translations are considered best? Bonus points for versions available as free ebooks, although I'm not averse to visiting my local library either.

madeuptempacctonNov 20, 2018

Absolutely this - it's in the same bucket as The Prince and 48 Laws of Power. Lot of hype, zero useful advice. Some books are worth the hype, e.g. The Art of War.

To the OP - in my experience, it's absolutely enough for a dev to be good to move up. That's the beauty of software development. Now, if you ever want to be a manager or a lead, it's definitely a different story.

ereyes01onFeb 6, 2019

For me it was The Art of War by Sun Tzu. It made me see how human conflict is a part of our nature that I needed to know better, and perhaps embrace a little at times. The book of course is about how to win in ancient warfare, but it explained this in universal terms that get to the heart of how humans engage in any sort of conflict. I've then gone on to read other great books, but this began a major evolution in my thought process about many things.

r2ronJuly 22, 2016

1. "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance" by Robert Pirsig

2. "The art of war" by Sun Tzu

3. "Meditations" by Marcus Aurelius

DelmaniaonApr 14, 2018

The sentiment about the harms of long duration wars is echoed in the Art of War. When I read that book, I wonder if our politicians and military leaders have bothered to (not Trump or the Republicans, that much is obvious). Astute thinkers have existed in all generations of humanity. Many of the principles that were mentioned in past are relevant today. We just have a bad track record of following them.

dredmorbiusonApr 5, 2018

Whilst agreeing in part, the history of martially-motivated technical development through all of human history is remarkable. I'd argue it's been a vastly greater influence than so-called market motivations.

As an evolutionary selective pressure, war and military necessity are unparalleled.

Re-reading Samuel B. Griffith's translation of The Art of War, I noticed that he mentions, in 1963, Joseph Needham's Science and Civilisation in China, which had only begun delivering volumes (the work remains in progress). That would include not only metalurgy, but entire volumes devoted to both martial and marine technologies.

myasoonJan 6, 2018

Not that I'm a manager but I enjoyed High Output Management by Andy Grove. It's short and sticks to KISS, I don't really subscribe to the belief that dealing with people is something you can learn from books -- The Art of War won't kindle a non existent fire, instead it amplifies something innate. A lot of methodology seems overly rigid and stiff to be useful for anything but sounding good in theory and failing in practice.

gempironSep 9, 2019

The Art of War by Sun Tzu, 5th century BC

ballardonSep 7, 2013

The victim is everyone else that doesn't have access, something the SEC attempts to level the jungle. Winning in stock market is all about access to intelligence. If you have money, you may be able to buy it... if you have power, people try to give it to you (paying for it is stupid).

Fiction sums it up best:

"Public’s out there throwing darts at a board, sport. I don’t throw darts at a board, I bet on sure things. Read Sun Tsu's The Art of War ‘every battle is won before it's fought.’ Think about it. You are not as smart as I thought you were, buddy boy. You wonder why fund managers can’t beat the S&P 500, cause they’re sheep and sheep get slaughtered. I’ve been in the business since ’69 most of these Harvard MBA types don’t add up to dog shit. Give me guys that are poor, smart, and hungry and no feelings. You win a few you lose a few but you keep on fighting. If you need a friend, get a dog. It’s trench warfare out there, pal." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094291/

blargmaster33onDec 9, 2019

Just read The Art of War by Sun Tzu.

billpatrianakosonJune 1, 2012

The Art of War can really be applied to any domain or thing you want to do. It's beautiful in that it's specific and general at the same time. I once had a guy tell me to read it in high school when I was trying to win back a girl. It worked.

You can apply The Art of War to anything that involves competition. I don't know about anyone else but for me I think a lot of the success I've had in applying what's in the book to my life can't be totally attributed to just applying the advice in and of itself. For me, part of my success in its application most likely came from feeling more confident and like you knew some sort of secret ancient wisdom that someone else didn't know. Reading through it and thinking of applying it to your own situation really will have that confidence boosting effect I think.

VyseroonDec 13, 2019

"Other employees say they are now afraid to click on certain documents from other teams or departments because they are worried they could later be disciplined for doing so, a fear the company says is unfounded."

“Supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

eternalbanonDec 22, 2016

    According to an old story, a lord of ancient China once asked 
his physician, a member of a family of healers, which of them
was the most skilled in the art.

The physician, whose reputation was such that his name became
synonymous with medical science in China, replied,

"My eldest brother sees the spirit of sickness and removes it
before it takes shape, so his name does not get out of the house.

"My elder brother cures sickness when it is still extremely minute,
so his name does not get out of the neighborhood.

"As for me, I puncture veins, prescribe potions, and massage skin,
so from time to time my name gets out and is heard among the lords."

- Translator's Introduction, Taoism and The Art of War
The Art of War, Sun Tzu, Thomas Cleary

pagutierreznonMar 27, 2017

1- The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. Specially the edition commented by Napoleon Buonaparte.

2-Diffusion of Innovations by Everett M. Rogers. This book makes "Crossing the chasm" a simplistic introduction for laggards

3-The Art of War by Sun Tzu

4-If Nature Is the Answer, What Was the Question? By Jorge Wagensberg

5-Sacred hoops by Phil Jackson

6-Fear from freedom by Erich Fromm

7-Michelangelo biography of a genious

8-Blindness by Jose Saramago

9-On writing by Stephen King

b0n40onJune 8, 2017

My 5 cents... If you are reaching the edge point you dont know how to meditate.

I will recommend to read just few books for a start
1. Dao - Lao Tzu
2.The Willpower Instinct - Kelly McGonigal
3. The Art of War by Sun Tzu

you are not going to reach self-knowing or self-control using other people's thoughts. Everything good comes from the walked path, It takes time and practice.

And the way is not only to evolve from inside but from outside too, so "workout" daily is also important part.

tieTYTonOct 7, 2013

As a tradition, no. Old books like this are often read in a management context. For example, at my local book shop, The Book of Five Rings is in the Business section[1]. The Art of War by Sun Tzu[2] can be applied to any context you want and it's usually still good advice. Re: The Art of War[3], wikipedia says:

> There are business books applying its lessons to office politics and corporate strategy. Many Japanese companies make the book required reading for their key executives. The book is also popular among Western business management, who have turned to it for inspiration and advice on how to succeed in competitive business situations. It has also been applied to the field of education.

Here's where I start talking out of my ass: If you think about it, aren't generals the original managers? They had to coordinate the actions of thousands of people. Sometimes hundreds of thousands. They have to delegate to their subordinates because it'd be impossible to micromanage everything. Also, I think it's more than a coincidence that the quote seemed to fit so well. Outsourcing is hiring mercenaries.

[1]: http://www.amazon.com/Book-Five-Rings-Miyamoto-Musashi/dp/15...
[2]: http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-War-Liddell-Hart/dp/0195014766...
[3]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War#Application_outs...

qazpotonSep 9, 2019

The Art of War - Sun Tzu

hgaonNov 26, 2016

The Art Of War: I LOVE this book, but again, not relevant on a day to day basis for most entrepreneurs.

Eh, that depends on your ability to generalize some of its lessons to the world you live in, which I'm sure it beyond a lot of people at the usual stages in their lives when they're starting up companies, especially giving the distractions of that process. But as the author emphasizes in his his very first point, your core team of people is the single most critical thing, and paraphrasing Paul Graham in one of his essays (which the author generally and perhaps specifically recommends), if you use average "stuff", you're likely to get an average result, and the average result for a startup is FAILURE!

Plenty of interpersonal things can be directly illuminated by The Art of War, lots of that involves threats subtle or more direct, the lesson about "death ground" is vital, etc. But you might as well add the roughly equally short The Prince by Machiavelli and no doubt other books, at least these two are short (and make sure you get a good translation of The Art of War, I wouldn't trust any that weren't done by a military officer, and therefore I recommend Samuel B. Griffiths' version: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195014766/).

More generally, how to you gain the wisdom to comprehend and put into place the lessons the author is teaching, especially if you're a callow youth? Reading (and rereading) "the classics" has long been a method for that, and one that works for me.

Emphasis on the re-reading, never stop learning, e.g. I'm on perhaps my 3rd pass of Churchill's The Gathering Storm, about the post-WWI period, it ends with him being appointed Prime Minister as the Nazi blitzkrieg falls upon the Low countries and France. First pass was in the '80s, 2nd I can't remember, and now I'm re-reading it about to turn 56 and learning even more from it, having, for example, learned a lot more about history, government and war all though the years.

decentralityonJan 26, 2018

The Art of War by Sun Tzu

lionheartedonMar 13, 2010

> The Art of War

If you like the Art of War at all, you simply must read von Clauswitz's On War:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_War#Synopsis

At least read the first 20 pages. An incredibly clear, insightful thinker. He was an utter perfectionist, he worked on the book for decades and died with it incomplete, but the beginning in particular is precisely accurate and insightful like almost nothing else I've read.

pvarangotonJan 2, 2012

  > The 'occupy' post did satisfy me intellectually - I don't have a position on the
> politics either way, but the explanation of 'battle tactics', how they developed
> by non-military people and how they can be used 'on the street' was
> intellectually interesting.

Read The Art of War (I would recommend some annotated version, can't point to an specific one since I'm only familiar with spanish translations). Then go take part in some picketing, and please please write an article with factual and accurate data about tactics. Mail me, count with my upvote and I'll participate on any discussion related to tactics. This blogpost is factually wrong and amateurish as a discussion on tactics, also full of wishful thinking apologetic of naive ideas about the military power of large groups of protesters.

jarielonJan 14, 2021

The Art of War, basically the first textbook ever written (and understandably so) is still relevant today.

It's almost oddly metaphysical, and relevant in zero-sum games.

Also:

"evidence of how you have come to understand the barriers faced by others, evidence of your academic service to advance equitable access to higher education for women, racial minorities, and individuals from other groups that have been historically underrepresented in higher education, evidence of your research focusing on underserved populations or related issues of inequality, or evidence of your leadership among such groups.”

It's funny how some forms of censorship are evil, but other forms are lauded.

They are essentially demanding that research 'be in service to' a specific intersectional perspective, which has to be the opposite of academic freedom.

tuxcanflyonOct 8, 2011

Know thy enemy, know thyself - Sun Tzu, The Art of War

marcusonMar 12, 2008

Programming Collective Intelligence - O'Reilly Media Toby Segaran

Art of the start - Guy Kawasaki

The art of war - Sun Tzu

ivanonJune 20, 2007

A reinterpretation of Sun Tzu's The Art of War ... BTW: Does anybody know where can I buy the english translation of the Art of War book in pdf?

the_afonFeb 12, 2020

People tend to consider philosophy/strategy in way more generalizable terms than tech words like "print". But what if Sun Tzu wasn't really all that generalizable?

What if he was literally telling you how to put an arrow through the eye of the enemy general? How do you write a self-help book "based on The Art of War" out of that? (You can still derive general meaning that wasn't put there by Sun Tzu, but it's a lot harder!)

Chris_JayonAug 8, 2018

There is a school of philosophy that newton's laws of motion apply to the political realm - "any action taken to benefit a minority group will result in an equal and opposite counter-reaction".
I wouldn't be terribly far off if I described Sun Zu's "The Art of War" as Newton's laws of motion applied to game theory.

codetrotteronJuly 13, 2019

From the page you linked:

> The better we could communicate on a mass scale, the more our species began to function like a single organism, with humanity’s collective knowledge tower as its brain and each individual human brain like a nerve or a muscle fiber in its body. With the era of mass communication upon us, the collective human organism—the Human Colossus—rose into existence.

I like thinking about us this way too, as being both individuals but at the same time also forming a sorts of organism together.

What originally got me thinking about us this way was something that Sun Tzu wrote in his book The Art of War.

I think this might be the part of that book that made me think of it like this:

> The skillful tactician may be likened to the shuai-jan. Now the shuai-jan is a snake that is found in the ChUng mountains. Strike at its head, and you will be attacked by its tail; strike at its tail, and you will be attacked by its head; strike at its middle, and you will be attacked by head and tail both.

> Asked if an army can be made to imitate the shuai-jan, I should answer, Yes. For the men of Wu and the men of Yueh are enemies; yet if they are crossing a river in the same boat and are caught by a storm, they will come to each other's assistance just as the left hand helps the right.

http://classics.mit.edu/Tzu/artwar.html

KaizynonSep 19, 2007

1) Musashi's Book of Five Rings
2) Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People
3) Machaivelli's The Prince
4) Sun-Tzu's The Art of War
5) Hayakawa's Language in Thought and Action
6) Steven Johnson's Emergence
7) Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel
8) Bill Bryson's A Short History of Nearly Everything
9) Mark Buchanan's Nexus
10) C. S. Lewis's The Problem of Pain

Taken together, these books cover just about everything there is to know about the sciences, about human history, human nature and how to understand and communicate effectively with other people. Only one other book besides these needs to be studied/read: The Bible.

metachrisonNov 16, 2011

"The Art of War" by Sun Tzu

jmaygardenonApr 12, 2018

“Criticizing C++ in 2018 with arguments from back in 1993 feels dishonest.“

That statement itself seems intellectually dishonest. What has changed that invalidates his arguments? After all, C++17 is still backwards compatible to the C++ of 1993.

Pardon me for finding this humorous, but stating that I can’t use a Donald Knuth quote in a computer science topic because it’s an old is like saying I can’t quote Sun Tzu when talking about modern events because the Art of War is an old book.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Computer_Programm...

SantasonDec 27, 2011

The Art of War - Sun Tzu

contingenciesonMar 30, 2016

... or not to play.

By contrast, Sun Zi's The Art of War, being more a manual of practical statesmanship and less an ethical or philosophical sounding board, states that one should only go to war when in a position of strength and certain victory. Further, actual warfare is a last option: "the skillful leader subdues the enemy's troops without any fighting; he captures their cities without laying siege to them; he overthrows their kingdom without lengthy operations in the field."

jomamaxxonAug 15, 2016

"> We need surveillance
Source? "

A) There is no need for 'source'? Asking for 'source' does not count as an argument. Where is your 'source' for 'we got by for thousands of years?' for example?

B) We didn't 'get by for thousands of years' without surveillance. Spying has been part of statecraft for 5000 years. The very first textbook on any subject, written more than 2000 years ago - 'The Art of War' has a chapter dedicated to it.

C) If you were ever exposed to what is actually going on in this and other countries, you'd immediately change your tune. It happens often. Here in Canada, we had a fuzzy new Prime Ministerial candidate who wanted to kill a new surveillance bill. Until he became PM and got his 'daily security briefings' as to the reality of the world. And 'poof' - his promise to overthrow the bill disappeared immediately as his naivte withered against the facts.

I do not believe in a 'surveillance state' (i.e. arbitrary surveillance) and I generally believe that citizens should have the right to privacy as per other criminal issues. But I also believe that if you are building a bomb in your basement, and the Feds want to know why, they can get a court order and 'surveil' you.

dredmorbiusonDec 31, 2013

I'm mostly just a vast store of useless information. Your comment brought up the association with the earlier story. I couldn't tell you the first place I encountered it, probably in some juvenile archive of war / spy stories, it's stuck with me through the years.

As for things to read: I'm generally interested in, well, a lot of things, but crypto, security, organizational and national aspects of both, and the like. Schneier's Cryptography and his more recent works (most of which focus increasingly on human factors), comp.risks, The Art of War, Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon, random linkage through Wikipedia (highly underrated). Actually, for that last, I should probably write intentional linkage. Find some topic you're interested in, search for a few base articles, and follow the links out to other related aspects. Particularly case studies / people, and the like.

If you're going to study WWII, I have to recommend Daniel Yergin's The Prize (either the book or the video series, I've viewed the latter and confess only skimmed through bits of the former, it's voluminous). The relationship of oil to the events of the 20th century simply cannot be overstated.

belornonJan 18, 2015

While it should be enough, torture is not just a bad idea because its inhuman, or that the information supplied under torture often is false. Torture is bad from a military standpoint, as has been explored by books like "The art of war" and other works from that time-period until now. If the enemy know that surrender means torture, they will fight until the very last man with all the effort of desperate people.

Sun Tzu warns thus: "Soldiers when in desperate straits lose the sense of fear. If there is no place of refuge, they will stand firm. If they are in hostile country, they will show a stubborn front. If there is no help for it, they will fight hard."

idoonSep 5, 2011

    If there's a lesson here, its that strategy 
gamers might benefit from doing some reading.

You have to play sc2 or similar games for years before that kind of advice becomes applicable (since there is so much basic skill to pick up before the game becomes that strategic), and by the time you know the game well enough to find the correct analogy to something written in The Art of War you've probably already discovered it yourself.

In short, I think there are very few if any sc2 players that would benefit (in terms of improving their game at least) from reading The Art of War.

ZimahlonJune 28, 2012

I don't know about your first point, but the problem with the US Government and the conflicts we as a nation have entangled ourselves in over the last decade+ is that we can't even be bothered to even do the basic due diligence before jumping in.

Fundamentally, we ignored even the simplest tenets of 'The Art of War'. It's actually painful to read this after the fact. Powell knew this stuff and at it's core, the Pottery Barn principle is a couple of those AoW tenets boiled down into something everyone can understand.

In the end, if you can't even follow the sage advice that has been proved countless times over the last couple thousands of years, you've got bigger problems.

tokenadultonDec 8, 2013

The previously posted comments are correct that the way to evaluate a translation is to find someone who knows the original language. I do read literary Chinese, although I have never tackled the full text of Sun Tzu's The Art of War. (I've mostly read the major philosophers like Confucius and Mencius.) There was a whole genre of Chinese literature at that time of guides to warfare, so 兵法 ("art of war") is a title of some other books from that era, which is why Sun Tzu's book is usually mentioned with his name.

Literary Chinese has quite intricate grammar, about which both Chinese and Western linguists debate in book-length works. Just as with any other language, a word-by-word approach to translation will not do. When I first saw this article submitted to Hacker News, I read it for a while, looking for clues that the blog post author actually knows Chinese. To me, too, the site looked a bit like a scam, trying to sell management advice based on an ancient holy text for rather too much money.

For me, the key take-away from translations of Sun Tzu's Art of War that I have read is to leave an enemy a way to flee. Don't force people to fight to the death by surrounding them entirely. That advice was followed when P.R.C. soldiers moved in on the peaceful Tiananmen Square protesters in 1989. One corner of the square was left open as an escape route so that people could simply run away.

pskomorochonJan 29, 2009

I used to have a lot more time for non CS reading and actually made an Amazon list on this topic back in 2005:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/listmania/fullview/2INJSM38...

1. On War (Everyman's Library (Cloth)) by Carl Von Clausewitz

2. Leadership: The Warrior's Art by Barry R. McCaffrey

3. Small Unit Leadership: A Commonsense Approach by Dandridge M. Malone

4. The Defense of Hill 781: An Allegory of Modern Mechanized Combat by James R. McDonough

5. The Art of Maneuver: Maneuver-Warfare Theory and AirLand Battle by Robert Leonhard

6. Strategy: Second Revised Edition (Meridian) by B. H. Liddell Hart

7. The Art of War by Niccolò Machiavelli

8. Hagakure: The Book of the Samauri by Tsunetomo Yamamoto

9. The Emperor's Handbook: A New Translation of The Meditations by Marcus Aurelius

10. The Art of War (Shambhala classics) by Sun Tzu

11. The Prince (Bantam Classics) by Niccolo Machiavelli

12. Evolutionary Game Theory by Jörgen W. Weibull

13. On Guerrilla Warfare by Mao Tse-tung

14. The History of the Peloponnesian War: Revised Edition (Penguin Classics) by Thucydides

15. The Histories (Penguin Classics) by Herodotus

16. The Persian Expedition (Penguin Classics) by Xenophon

17. Plutarch: Lives of Noble Grecians and Romans (Modern Library Series, Vol. 1) by Plutarch

18. Plutarch's Lives, Volume 2 (Modern Library Classics) by Plutarch

19. Livy: The Early History of Rome, Books I-V (Penguin Classics) (Bks. 1-5) by Titus Livy

20. The History of Rome from Its Foundation, Books XXI-XXX: The War with Hannibal (Penguin Classics) (Bks. 21-30) by Titus Livius Livy

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