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qubexonNov 20, 2019

Mark Fisher’s Capitalist Realism is “up there” with Neil Postman’s Amusing Ourselves To Death when it comes to why I despair about the trajectory of modern society.

stnmtnonJune 7, 2018

Try reading Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher, from what you just said it sounds like you might really like it. He covers a lot of the themes you're talking about in a really approachable way

As for what other conception of states can exist, socialism is pretty cool I think

pizzaonMay 11, 2018

The Divided Self by RD Laing

Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher

Pretty much any book by Nassim Taleb, but the Black Swan was my first read of his, and then Antifragile

chobeatonSep 26, 2019

I've never seen that abbreviation and I don't like them but if you like, use it. Multiplicities!

I would say that you need Inventing the future, that while being limited in many things, is a necessary read.

Then proceed with Capitalist Realism and if you like it, Fanged Noumena.

DyslexicAtheistonMay 25, 2020

"It’s easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism." -- Fredric Jameson and Slavoj Žižek

below a quote from "Capitalist Realism, Is There No Alternative" by Mark Fisher - this is a devastating but interesting read on this subject. (I just finished this last week).

pdf: https://libcom.org/files/Capitalist%20Realism_%20Is%20There%...

"> Watching Children of Men, we are inevitably reminded of the phrase attributed to Fredric Jameson and Slavoj Žižek, that it is easier to imagine the end of the world than it is to imagine the end of capitalism. That slogan captures precisely what I mean by ‘capitalist realism’: the widespread sense that not only is capitalism the only viable political and economic system, but also that it is now impossible even to imagine a coherent alternative to it. Once, dystopian films and novels were exercises in such acts of imagination – the disasters they depicted acting as narrative pretext for the emergence of different ways of living. Not so in Children of Men. The world that it projects seems more like an extrapolation or exacerbation of ours than an alternative to it."

highly recommend.

vvdcectonMar 20, 2019

Do checkout "Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative?", It's a concise book that talks about capitalism and its effects on culture and public thought. I haven't read lost futures yet but I found this really good video discussing Mark's idea by Cuck Philosophy called "Hauntology, Lost Futures and 80s Nostalgia" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSvUqhZcbVg

kmfonMar 20, 2019

Capitalist Realism is an incredible read. Since discovering him just a couple years ago, his ideas and his work have impacted me probably more than any other cultural/political theorist has. His death was a real loss, but his work is more vital than ever. Can’t recommend his work enough, and I’m excited to have seen his name pop up a couple times on HN over the last few days.

pizzaonMay 28, 2017

The "deal" that Jordan Peterson makes with you if you accept his "pitch" loosely is: "if you find your psyche's blind-spots, and work on those underdeveloped components of your inner self, you will gain control of your life. [also, that people build their self-image on top of unsound moral foundations; postmodernism, belief in utopia, demonizing hierarchy, ...]"

I find Peterson's thinking easy to listen to, but I wanted to figure out "OK, but this guy seems kinda.. slick?.. and if this all makes sense and sounds fairly easy, why does it sound too-good-to-be-true? What's the catch?" Detangling charisma from the contents, etc.

So, in that same spirit of seeking difficult blind spots, I liked this video [0] that gives an interesting critique (both agree/disagreement) perspective of Peterson's approach. Admittedly, the part where Lain compares the bodycounts of communism to capitalism is kinda weak because it's an appeal to hypocrisy. It doesn't matter too much because Lain explains that Peterson's understanding of Marxism prevents him from seeing it as anything but an oppression fetish.

The important part is the description of capitalist realism. It's the idea that capitalism is itself normalized to the point that it becomes a massive blind spot which, like a propagating 'meme', distorts the ideas of what is possible. Reading the book Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher (only 80 pgs) changed my life, for what it's worth. Public PDF here if you want to check it out [1].

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGld3FbDY6s

[1] https://libcom.org/files/Capitalist%20Realism_%20Is%20There%...

drb91onMar 18, 2019

For more along this train of thought, I recommend "Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative?" by Mark Fisher: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_Realism:_Is_There_N...

I also highly, highly recommend "K-Punk" by the same author (now deceased, RIP): https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/mark-fishers-k-p...

n4r9onApr 3, 2017

I'm sure this resonates with university lecturers all over the Western world. The late writer and university academic Mark Fisher has some interesting points about this effect in his 2009 book "Capitalist Realism: Is there no alternative?"[0]. He saw it as an inevitable byproduct of the infiltration of neo-liberal ideology into the academic sphere. Setting targets and measuring performance indicators are justified with efficiency arguments, but ultimately cause an increase in bureaucracy and a decline in mental health.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_Realism:_Is_there_n...

Barrin92onMar 25, 2021

A few have yes. Off the top of my head both fiction and non-fiction, Feyerabend's Against Method, Capital Marx, Orthodoxy Chesterton, Blood Meridian McCarthy, VALIS P.K. Dick, The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas Le Guin, Sirens of Titan Vonnegut, Finite and Infinite Games
James P. Carse, I See Satan Fall Like Lightning Girard, Discipline and Punish Foucault, Capitalist Realism Mark Fisher, some of Land's earlier work like Meltdown.

That's some of the stuff that comes to mind as having shifted my perception on things in some fundamental ways. I don't think I've ever practically changed anything in my life though as a response to reading a book, not sure how that would even manifest.

thatguymikeonDec 25, 2020

Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher. It links together Postmodernism in the cultural, social and economic domains, and makes a compelling case for the damage that over-applying it has been. It made a lot of ideas click into place, and made me see that a lot of 'the way things are', wrt the damaging aspects of Neoliberalism in particular, are not only contingent but accidental.

elvinyungonJuly 13, 2018

Lots of entrepreneurial suggestions here already, so I'm going do something different by suggesting more humanities-focused books/papers that could help round out our understanding of the state of things:

* Status Update by Alice Marwick - an ethnography of the SF tech scene in the mid-late 2000s, a very detailed examination of the status structures in Silicon Valley and how we were changed by the rise of social media.

* Postscript on the Societies of Control by Deleuze - short, insightful, somewhat prescient paper on the evolution of "control" mechanisms in postindustrial, capitalist societies.

* Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative? by Mark Fisher - a very compelling analysis of the neoliberal postmodern condition, and how the cultural milieu has changed since the fall of the Soviet Union, and free-market capitalism became the only extant economic system in the world.

* Death and Life of Great American Cities by Jane Jacobs - this probably needs no introduction; it was an extremely transformative treatise on urban form, vitality, diversity, and completely overturned the urban planning field when it was originally published. I think everyone who plans on living in a city should read this book.

* Hollow City by Rebecca Solnit - an ethnography of the gentrification and bohemian displacement in San Francisco during the dot-com boom of the 1990s. She doesn't just blame "the techies" for the gentrification, but rather uses the gentrification as a lens to examine the culture around urbanism has changed in the recent decades.

bergstromm466onDec 16, 2020

> worshiping the wealthy

"Over the years, [Elon Musk] cultivated a media persona that was “part playboy, part space cowboy,” Vance writes. [...] Musk sells himself as a singular mover of mountains and does not like to share credit for his success. At SpaceX, in particular, the engineers “flew into a collective rage every time they caught Musk in the press claiming to have designed the Falcon rocket more or less by himself [...] In fact, Musk depends heavily on people with more technical expertise in rockets and cars, more experience with aeronautics and energy, and perhaps more social grace in managing an organization. Those who survive under Musk tend to be workhorses willing to forgo public acclaim.” [1]

“Capital is an abstract parasite, an insatiable vampire and zombie maker; but the living flesh it converts into dead labor is ours, and the zombies it makes are us.” [2]

[1] https://www.technologyreview.com/2015/08/04/166593/techs-end...

[2] Mark Fisher, Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative?

pizzaonMar 20, 2019

Reading Capitalist Realism really helped pull me out of a depressive rut, tbh. Highly recommended, and it really is short, something like 80 pages. The part where he talks about how on the surface, the students in his classroom appear to be hedonically satisfied, but then he introduces the term “depressive hedonism”, really stuck with me.

edit: another part that really stuck with me was how there is a modern tendency to privatize the burden of stress; consider how mental illness is the individual's burden so it must be handled at the individual level, etc etc. Fisher wrote an article in the Guardian about this, "Why mental health is a political issue" in 2012 - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jul/16/mental...

pizzaonFeb 22, 2017

> [quoting gilles deleuze] Many young people strangely boast of being "motivated";
they re-request apprenticeships and permanent training. It's
up to them to discover what they're being made to serve, just
as their elders discovered, not without difficulty, the telos of
the disciplines.

>What must be discovered is a way out of the motivation/
demotivation binary, so that disidentification from the control
program registers as something other than dejected apathy. One
strategy would be to shift the political terrain - to move away
from the unions' traditional focus on pay and onto forms of
discontent specific to post-Fordism. Before we analyse that
further, we must consider in more depth what post-Fordism
actually is."

Mark Fisher - Capitalist Realism

dis-sysonJune 17, 2017

China International Book Trading Cooperation (CIBTC) offers the original version of Capitalist Realism online to Chinese readers for 141RMB delivered. CIBTC is a company started/owned/managed by the Communist Party of China.

https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.WxB4yL&id...

Nineteen Eighty-Four is more interesting, apparently, there are hundreds of vendors selling it on taobao.com, including the Xinhua which was started/owned/managed by the Communist Party of China.

https://list.tmall.com/search_product.htm?q=Nineteen+Eighty-...

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