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Thinking, Fast and Slow

Daniel Kahneman, Patrick Egan, et al.

4.6 on Amazon

523 HN comments

The Pragmatic Programmer: 20th Anniversary Edition, 2nd Edition: Your Journey to Mastery

David Thomas, Andrew Hunt, et al.

4.8 on Amazon

396 HN comments

Dune

Frank Herbert, Scott Brick, et al.

4.7 on Amazon

379 HN comments

Snow Crash

Neal Stephenson, Jonathan Davis, et al.

4.3 on Amazon

368 HN comments

The Selfish Gene

Richard Dawkins, Lalla Ward, et al.

4.6 on Amazon

349 HN comments

Why We Sleep: Unlocking the Power of Sleep and Dreams

Matthew Walker, Steve West, et al.

4.7 on Amazon

326 HN comments

The Design of Everyday Things: Revised and Expanded Edition

Don Norman

4.6 on Amazon

305 HN comments

Atlas Shrugged

Ayn Rand

4.5 on Amazon

290 HN comments

Brave New World

Aldous Huxley

4.6 on Amazon

284 HN comments

Cryptonomicon

Neal Stephenson, William Dufris, et al.

4.4 on Amazon

283 HN comments

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values

Robert M Pirsig

4.5 on Amazon

270 HN comments

Masters of Doom: How Two Guys Created an Empire and Transformed Pop Culture

David Kushner, Wil Wheaton, et al.

4.8 on Amazon

262 HN comments

The Black Swan: Second Edition: The Impact of the Highly Improbable: With a new section: "On Robustness and Fragility" (Incerto)

Nassim Nicholas Nicholas Taleb

4.5 on Amazon

250 HN comments

Zero to One: Notes on Startups, or How to Build the Future

Peter Thiel, Blake Masters, et al.

4.6 on Amazon

247 HN comments

The Lean Startup: How Today's Entrepreneurs Use Continuous Innovation to Create Radically Successful Businesses

Eric Ries

4.6 on Amazon

243 HN comments

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sp332onNov 25, 2020

Snow Crash was satire of a genre of sci-fi story, so while it may have popularized some ideas I don't think it was trying to be prescient. Entertaining though :)

jbrotonAug 5, 2021

If you haven't read it yet, Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash is an excellent novel that explores something along those lines

arctangentonOct 15, 2020

The excellent novel "Snow Crash" was directly inspired by "The Origin of Consciousness":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash

nathancahillonJune 29, 2020

Snow Crash is a fantastic piece of literature. That's like asking if Tolkien is still relevant today since it was written in the 1950s.

nafeyonJune 29, 2020

Off topic but would you suggest reading Snow Crash. Its from 1990s and i was wondering if it would still be relevant.

samatmanonJune 11, 2018

Pick up Anathem before trying Seveneves. Anathem might be his strongest novel, and it's the only one that holds up to Snow Crash and Diamond Age in my estimation.

I adore Zodiac as well but am in a decided minority in that regard.

dwateronJune 11, 2018

I loved Snow Crash and The Diamond Age. I've read Anathem twice and loved it. And even though it clocks in at around 3,000 pages, The Baroque Cycle trilogy is so good I've read it 3 or 4 times and I'll probably read it again.

FnoordonSep 10, 2019

Snow Crash, Cryptonomicon, Jennifer Government. Also, read through the thread. I saw Neuromancer recommended already :)

criddellonApr 24, 2018

If I were to re-read Snow Crash, I would skip all the talk about ancient Sumer and the Sumerians. IMHO, that book would be greatly improved by eliminating all of that.

mikewarotonJune 29, 2021

I read Snow Crash, I see what you're trying to do. ;-)

nicbouonJuly 5, 2020

Is the book any good? I loved Snow Crash and especially Cryptonomicon.

apionOct 11, 2018

> crypto-legal systems with automated drone enforcement.

Or read Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson and experience it today. :)

dylanzonNov 10, 2017

Cryptonomicon and Snow Crash are probably in my top 5 favorite books of all time. Enjoy the read!

tmalyonSep 29, 2017

I really enjoyed reading the Ringworld series. Snow Crash was also good. I would love to see the produce a series on Neuromancer

billmalarkyonDec 21, 2016

I've finally just started reading Snow Crash since I told myself I would one day roughly 15 years ago.

It's excellent.

strictneinonJune 1, 2017

Yeah, Snow Crash is great. Wouldn't surprise me if the Syndicate guys were fans of the book.

maxharrisonSep 23, 2014

Can someone explain what this is for? I watched the videos, and I still don't get it.

And no, I haven't read Snow Crash. I shouldn't have to read a novel to get excited about a project...

saturdayplaceonJune 6, 2013

If the OP is looking for a page turner, then Stephenson's Snow Crash is another great recommendation. Anathem was slower to me, and Reamde was good. But if I was to pick up Stephenson's stuff again I go to Snow Crash, then Cryptonomicon as my one, two.

brianzeliponJuly 30, 2015

Glad you brought up Snow Crash. I would have if not; it's all I could think about after reading it.

creaghpatronOct 3, 2017

I just started reading Snow Crash, really loving it.

adamfeldmanonNov 1, 2013

The Raft and antennaheads together refer to Snow Crash[1], a most excellent novel by Neal Stephenson

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash

e28etaonDec 6, 2016

Neat! Reminded me of Snow Crash, by Neal Stephenson. I'm sure nearly everyone is familiar with it, but for those who aren't: it's pretty good!

steve_gonJan 25, 2015

Very cool. This was prefigured in Snow Crash, the novel by Neal Stephenson

vijaytsronDec 6, 2012

I have found Crytponomicon and Snow Crash, both by Neal Stephenson, very good. Both fiction

rfergieonSep 7, 2016

I've been trying to decide whether to bother with Infinite Jest or not. I've heard very good things about it, but also that it is a pretty tough read.

I think your comparison with Snow Crash has swung it for me; IJ is definitely on my reading list now

antiheroonMay 20, 2011

I'd prefer if they did Snow Crash. That book was fantastic!

kungfooeyonJuly 2, 2008

Snow Crash is awesome. I finished it and "The Diamond Age" last week and I can vouch for them as a worthy read.

cmars232onSep 9, 2008

Datacenters... sure that's what they want you to think. Haven't you read Snow Crash?!

1MachineElfonMay 17, 2020

I'm not sure if this was one of Neal Stephenson's inspirations for his novel Snow Crash, but if it wasn't, then I expect he would be pleasantly surprised by this real-world demo of grammar hackery.

hevelvarikonOct 9, 2020

I’m surprised that he isn’t wealthy on the back of his world famous novels, and also why some of his novels haven’t been brought to cinema. Snow Crash would make a good film in the Internet age.

Perhaps, this essay is old though, and by now he is and some of them have been.

epsonJune 14, 2021

Snow Crash is his best book. Imaginative and punchy as fuck.

Cryptonomicon is very good too. Should be a must read for people who want to make another Tor :)

Incomparison, Reamde is slow and boring.

ChinjutonNov 15, 2014

As someone who hasn't read Snow Crash, I'm curious what this means; could you explain the reference?

statictypeonMar 1, 2011

Snow Crash was always considered to be Stephenson's best work but I thought Cryptonomicon and Anathem were far better.

nissimkonApr 13, 2015

I liked it, but I am a big Stephenson fan. I skipped Anathem and the baroque cycle books, but Diamond Age is one of my favorite books and I also like Snow Crash and Cryptonomicon a lot.

Reamde was pretty good, and this is an interesting setup.

Edit: Anathem not Anathema (thanks __david__ and lmm)

__donApr 17, 2019

For me, Snow Crash was awesome, but like early Gibson, it's lost a little with the passage of time.

His middle-period work did nothing for me at all. Just overdone, to my taste.

I haven't read anything after the Baroque Cycle put me off.

derekp7onMay 15, 2020

My biggest problem with Snow Crash was at the end of the book. The author has done this in other books too, where you have a very detailed story but then it feels like the end gets rushed. Kind of like another 200 pages of novel get squeezed down to 12 pages.

s_kilkonDec 25, 2019

It's from Gibsons "Virtual Light", a vastly better book than Snow Crash. Highly recommended!

SharlinonOct 23, 2020

Wow, hadn't realized that A Fire Upon the Deep, Red Mars, Snow Crash, and Doomsday Book were all published in 1992. Awesome year for SF.

Y_YonJan 20, 2019

If anyone is interested in this, I strongly recommend Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson, although I'm sure pretty much all geeks over a certain age have already read it. Religion, memetics, hackers, and the human mind are all tied up in a really good sci-fi book.

prionsonMar 1, 2017

The two other books in the series (Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive) are both great as well, but I found that the first had the most magic.

In the same vein, Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson is great as well. Its essentially a parody of cyberpunk but hilariously well written.

taneqonMar 3, 2018

The other work of popular fiction that gets referenced in these cases is, of course, Snow Crash.

coldteaonNov 24, 2020

Well, I haven't read Snow Crash, but this excerpt is neither "over the top" nor camp, and appears quite prophetic given 2020.

sid0onSep 19, 2011

Don't worry, Anathem's the only book where he renames things like that, and that's mainly because his construction necessitates it. He is rather self-indulgent though. Snow Crash or Cryptonomicon are good starts, and if you like them you should then upgrade to Diamond Age.

tedshroyeronApr 24, 2009

Agreed Snow Crash is very good. It along with Diamond Age are my favorite of his works. The Baroque Cycle is too long for what it is and might have crushed my spirit to read his work any longer. I advise avoiding it unless you are an avid fan of his.

rasuronDec 16, 2014

Have you not read 'The Diamond Age'?

IMO it is one of his best works. Nanotech/Networks/Crypto for the masses to understand. I read, loved and was caught up in the VR fever of the 90's via Snow Crash, and love his other books, but TDA is the one I'll never get rid of.

ChickeNESonDec 27, 2019

> a vastly better book than Snow Crash.

I've yet to read anything by Gibson that approaches anything by Stephenson

romwellonNov 20, 2019

Sumerian, an agglutinative language, is an important plot point in a famous cyberpunk novel, Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson[1] (which also popularized the word "avatar" as we use it today).

If you find the concept interesting, you will enjoy reading the novel.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash

loandiggeronNov 4, 2020

read "Snow Crash" by Neal Stephenson. In the near future, Home Owners Associations in the US (assisted by AI managers and horrifically powerful robotic armed guards) form their own "countries", with their own legal code, citizenship rights and mutual defense treaties. Top 100 SF book of all time.

shkkmoonSep 29, 2017

I also find Snow Crash to be my least favorite of Stephenson's works.

anthk_onJan 8, 2018

Well, I've read Snow Crash yesterday.

How interesting...

(Anyone who read the book can relate...)

protonfishonJune 19, 2015

I assumed all of his books read like this. Stephenson is great at building a world and characters but once the story needs to stumble into some kind of ending, it all gets contrived and uninteresting. (Right now I am stalled at 75% of Snow Crash.)

strogonoffonJan 17, 2021

Reading Snow Crash and IMO it could be a fantastic series. However, I must say I would hate a poor adaptation much more than no adaptation at all. Hopefully in my lifetime someone takes it on and gets it right.

ezekgonJuly 22, 2017

I was actually planning to start Snow Crash tonight, so that's funny. I liked Ready Player One quite a bit, so hopefully I enjoy Snow Crash even more. Any other good VR books? I also picked up Armada by the author of RPO, being a sucker for alien invasion sci-fi.

Shadow84onMay 26, 2008

One could ad Neal Stephenson books in general. Especially Snow Crash. Jointly, with Cryptonomicon, one of the best books I've ever read! In Snow Crash, the author envisioned stuf like Google Earth or Second Life, only in a much more advanced way. The book was written in 1992 :-)

karatestomponMay 15, 2020

Might check it out. Snow Crash is my second favorite of his that I’ve read—despite not enjoying a good chunk of it—largely on account of its shortish length.

TYPE_FASTERonSep 19, 2011

"Snow Crash" and "Cryptonomicon" seemed pretty accessible to me, much more so than "The Baroque Cycle." I think it's marketing aimed at getting readers who were turned off by TBC to pick up the new book.

tptacekonAug 13, 2009

I'm biased against Asimov --- which I'm sure is a great suggestion and thank you --- because I got it in grade school and it put me to sleep. Was I crazy, or is stuff like Snow Crash just a whole lot more fun to read?

jfe1234onSep 10, 2019

Seveneves is great as are Snow Crash and Anathem by the same author. Anathem has a lovely epic feel. Tough read though!

vitamenonFeb 10, 2015

I read Snow Crash once a year (usually I listen to the audiobook these days) but I'm thinking of switching up to the Baroque Cycle. I'm glad there's finally an unabridged Cryptonomicon audiobook - for a long time there was not.

chaostheoryonJune 15, 2012

imo Diamond Age has a much better plot for a movie and is a better book than Snow Crash.

taywrobelonDec 8, 2020

Anathem is great, but I'd call it the "hard mode" of Neal Stephenson's work. If anyone is wanting some easier to follow books by him to get started with, I highly recommend Seveneves (personal favorite) or Snow Crash (modern classic).

Ar-CurunironJune 14, 2021

Anathem was (surprisingly!) my first book by him. I then read Snow Crash and Cryptonomicon, and am now a cryptographer, in no small part due to these books =)

CogitoonNov 27, 2018

Just finished Snow Crash!

It's really good; as I was reading it I would stop and check the date it was authored. It holds up very well.

bwldrbstonJuly 12, 2018

I've read Neuromancer and Snow Crash about once a year for nearly 20 years.

Michael Marshall Smith's early sci-fi books, Only Forward and Spares, have also had many re-reads.

stirfrykittyonJune 28, 2019

Snow Crash would be the only other book that I could see as a film, although Reamde might do well, too.

moorhosjonJune 11, 2018

Was in a similar position. The world building in Snow Crash (first 150ish pages) is one of my favorites in the genre. Unfortunately, the plot kind of lost me towards the end and I came out slightly disappointed.

Taylor_ODonNov 9, 2015

I read The Martian, Snow Crash, and Ready Player One over the course of a month or two. All three of those books have their flaws but I enjoy the style and page turning nature of them a lot.

djsumdogonFeb 12, 2020

Sounds like something out of the book Snow Crash or the comic book Transmetropolitian

q_andrewonMar 24, 2021

Snow Crash is parody literature, but the fantasy is built around very good predictions about the future. He coined the word "avatar" for virtual characters, and the book contains a direct inspiration for google maps.

swolchokonMar 8, 2009

The above post is a reference to Snow Crash, by Neal Stephenson. However, I don't think it contributes very positively to the discussion, because now someone ELSE will reply, and we'll have to have a circle jerk about how great that book was.

guzzionSep 6, 2012

I can see Hero Protagonist in those cities delivering pizza right now. Note to self re-read Snow Crash.

Turing_MachineonJune 15, 2012

Snow Crash was originally intended to be a graphic novel (see Stephenson's afterword). If that material still exists, it could work.

salawatonJune 20, 2018

Hence the "as an industry" part.

If you've ever read Snow Crash, the U.S. Government does something similar to exactly what you are talking about. That is why I've stated that at this point we can only delay the fruition of a state level infrastructure. Not stop it.

shpongledonJune 14, 2021

I'd recommend some of Stephenson's earlier works: Snow Crash, Cryptonomicon, Reamde, Anathem are all great. I actually think Seveneves is one of his weakest books.

vkatlurionDec 2, 2013

I guess we are getting closer and closer to the Pizza delivery technologies described in Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash. Entire industries dedicated to getting things into consumer's hands faster and faster. The "now" in "I want it now" keeps getting shorter and shorter.

oarabbus_onAug 16, 2019

Hmm, I read Snow Crash a few years back, mainly due to the praise. It was certainly a good book, but quite honestly I felt it was overrated. I'm in my late 20s, and it's very possible the book was revolutionary and groundbreaking in 1992, but it does show some age nowadays.

dudurochaonDec 26, 2012

Sounds like Snow Crash! Snow Crash was one of the best I read this year, I'll put Ready Player One on my list!

uoaeionSep 29, 2017

Ever since I read Snow Crash, I wondered to myself, why hasn't this been adapted as a screenplay yet? It played in my head like a movie when I first read it. No other book has done that. Neal Stephenson's writing style is really cinematic and I'm glad it's now being adapted for viewing.

cydonian_monkonDec 16, 2019

I had the same reaction. I first read "Snow Crash" and "Brave New World" around the same time (circa-2000), and was happy that both missed the mark. Looking back at them now I feel like the modern world has become a blend of the worst parts of both.

alasdair_onSep 9, 2020

I liked Snow Crash, Diamond Age, Cryptonomicon, Interface, Zodiak and even REAMDE and The Big U and cobweb (to an extent). I never finished the Baroque cycle though, despite buying the first book in hardback in day one.

I also never quite finished Dodge in Hell either but probably will some day.

ataturkonFeb 14, 2019

I don't remember that part of Snow Crash. Did you mean Cryptonomicon? That book was a huge disappointment to me, so unbelievably tedious to read.

ComradeonAug 13, 2012

I bought Snow Crash because I heard so many good things about it. I really need to get around to reading it.

jtmsonJune 19, 2015

interesting... i found that bit one of the most interesting in the book! I also found Snow Crash to be his most readable. I devoured it in just a few sittings!

abandonlibertyonMay 11, 2015

I'm sorry, that book has been banned as it depicts sexual acts with minors.

(I was given Snow Crash 10 years ago. It contained a note explaining that it would become an illegal novel if laws against fictional pedophilia were passed as proposed. They were.)

EvanAndersononMay 15, 2020

Snow Crash is one of those books that I envision so vividly that I feel like I've already seen the movie adaptation. I have nearly equal parts horror and excitement about the idea of a video adaptation. (Perhaps not equal parts-- it's probably more horror than excitement...)

madeuptempacctonAug 23, 2018

Start with Snow Crash or Diamond Age - some of Neal Stephen's later work is too focused on the science/history, while neglecting the characters and the story, which is fine for most people here, but it might give the wrong impression of him as an author.

MivLivesonJuly 31, 2021

Snow Crash is one of my most lent books. People either get it quickly or it just fizzles out for them. I feel like a lotta his work is like that too. You gotta wanna read 20 pages of Sumerian mythology and a sword fight on motorcycles in the same book.

notatoadonDec 16, 2014

He's a sci-fi author with a particular talent for believable, well-rationed near-future fiction. I recommend reading Snow Crash without looking at the publication date until after you finish the book.

n00b101onSep 6, 2016

I read Snow Crash when I was 13. Then I lost countless hours trying to "live the dream" with Active Worlds [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Worlds

nutshell89onMay 15, 2020

Of all of the Stephenson books I think Zodiac or Cryptonomicon
(both somewhat grounded) would adapt the best - Snow Crash has this dyed in the wool early 90s escapist VR vision of the internet that doesn't really make sense today, along with a ton of religious overtones and weird, rapey bits.

DowwieonMar 30, 2020

HBO better not disappoint us with their Snow Crash series. This was such a fun book.

nothingpersonalonDec 23, 2015

Do audio books count? If so my favorites from this year would be Snow Crash by Neil Stephenson, and Armada by Ernest Cline.

Books I actually read which were good:
The Informationist by Taylor Stevens
Ready Player One by Ernest Cline

dpritchettonMay 21, 2010

You're certainly right about Snow Crash but in Gibson's defense his book came out 8 years earlier.

PraxillaonSep 5, 2015

Snow Crash by Neil Stephenson

and Halloween,

An anthology of ten stories with a supernatural element that originally appeared in Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine.

nitrogenonJune 30, 2015

I'm reading that book right now, and so far it's good. One can also read: Anathem, Snow Crash, http://qntm.org/ra, or (extremely NSFW) The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect.

All of them explore the nature of reality and consciousness in some way.

To the parent commenter, please write your story. The world always needs good fiction.

sp332onJune 24, 2016

It sounds like Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash. Various corporations and residential enclaves carve out tiny sovereign chunks of the landscape and negotiate trade and travel between themselves.

prezjordanonJuly 7, 2014

About to finish Snow Crash and looking for a new book. I think I'll make it this one.

teamhappyonApr 25, 2018

A couple of days ago I've decided to not finish Seveneves after having been disappointed by REAMDE already. Are there any recent book releases anyone can recommend to people who love Cryptonomicon, Anathem and Snow Crash but aren't really into REAMDE and Seveneves?

jbogganonNov 20, 2014

I read Ready Player One first and found it really compelling and interesting, I highly recommend it. Then I picked up Snow Crash and found it too preposterous in its delivery, physics, and libertarian social narrative to make it more than a few chapters - and I'm someone who loves reading Heinlein.

huhtenbergonMar 19, 2008

I find Stephenson to be somewhat hard to read due to his peculiar use of present tense. His Snow Crash novel is an absolute must read in a cyberpunk genre. It is really vivid, bizarre and quite believable version of a near future. Only if he'd opted for using past tense .. :)

noduermeonJune 14, 2021

The Diamond Age as the follow-up to Snow Crash is also a great piece of sci-fi.

Cryptonomicon is fun, I re-read that recently. I wouldn't really call it sci-fi, though. More like historical fiction..

anirbasonMar 10, 2008

And if you do dislike Stephenson based on his other writing, this is still certainly worth a try. I thought it was excellent, but didn't enjoy his other books (other than Snow Crash).

mistercowonAug 27, 2013

Yeah, apparently several of Stephenson's earlier books drew from Jaynes' work, although Snow Crash is the only one of them I've read.

NathanKPonJune 15, 2012

Snow Crash is quite a classic book. It was actually one of the books that got me interested in coding/hacking. Anyone here who hasn't read it should do so right away.

I'll be interested to see if Joe Cornish is able to pull off the technical aspects of the movie without it appearing too fake.

SeanLukeonMay 15, 2020

I greatly dislike Snow Crash: it feels like slogging through Leviticus, plus an astronomical amount of suspension of disbelief.

However.

There is no doubt in my mind that Snow Crash has the finest first chapter I have ever had the pleasure of reading. You should buy the book just for the first chapter.

eswatonMar 25, 2014

Sudden urge to read Snow Crash again. Reading this makes me feel like they want to take the first step into making a Metaverse[1]. That way they can control it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash#Metaverse

eponeponepononApr 24, 2018

It's always felt like the most disciplined of his books to me - Snow Crash is almost there, but just a little too formulaic as a story. I enjoy the digressions and length in his other work, but they can get a little dull after the first reading.

skoreonMar 2, 2014

Having read Snow Crash... I'm getting used to appreciate Neal Stephensons rather heavy handed (if only at first glance) use of Sci-Fi tropes as very dry pragmatism.

Yes, this is feudalism, plain and simple. They're simply abusing basic democratic institutions to obfuscate the fact.

johan_larsononSep 29, 2017

Snow Crash and Ringworld are no-fooling classics of SF. Alas, I am too manly to actually squee with delight at this news.

robterrinonFeb 28, 2021

Wonder if Knuth’s work in 1972 influenced Neal Stephenson’s “Snow Crash” in 1992? Certainly seems like it did!

Solid essay on ancient myth and “Snow Crash” here: https://www.cs.unc.edu/~taylorr/snowcrash.html

bilchonMar 30, 2010

Snow Crash was published in 1992, not in 1975. Still, this dude got it already.

Edit: Sorry, it's probably just a formatting problem and you were referring to The Shockwave Rider.

CpollonJan 17, 2019

> By 1992, they could be hilariously parodied by Neal Stephenson in Snow Crash (a novel often mistaken as an example of the subgenre it meant to mock).

Citation needed. While this is under open debate amongst fans of the genre, I don't think Stephenson has stated it's a parody? And deliberate parody or not, I feel it brings a lot of ideas into the fold and observes the spirit of the genre. It's not a mistake to cite it as an example of the genre.

empath75onSep 29, 2017

Snow crash has one of the best opening chapters of any novel I’ve read.

Though the central premise feels somewhat dated now that everybody assumes self driving cars are around the corner.

njarboeonJuly 24, 2018

This is one of the major plot lines in Snow Crash. Trying to control employees pesky minds. Quite a fun book to read.

CpollonJune 1, 2017

A year before that was Snow Crash, which described the dominance of corporate enclaves in a compelling fashion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash

Of course, the earlier Neuromancer had many of the same themes. Both are seminal works in the cyberpunk genre.

dylanzonDec 13, 2013

I just took a road trip and looked at one of Bill Gates previous favorite books list, and picked "Tap Dancing to Work: Warren Buffett on Practically Everything, 1966-2012". I've always wanted to know more about Mr. Buffet, so I thought this would be a great choice.

I almost drove off the road listening to him talking about bonds vs stocks and percentages. It was interesting, but definitely not a road trip book.

That said, I finished Snow Crash on the trip, and it was a great book. I think I preferred Cryptonomicon a bit more, but some of the theories in Snow Crash were incredible, and way before their time. Hiro Protagonist and YT are also awesome characters.

goliatoneonJuly 19, 2020

Was this hypothesis used in Snow Crash? I read the book too long ago to credit my memory but it made me think of the book

FnoordonOct 14, 2020

Fictional books such as Snow Crash and Jennifer Government explore the idea of non-governmental neighboring tribes.

RoboprogonSep 10, 2011

I found Cryptonomicon a painfully long slog. I enjoyed it overall, but only read it because of having read Snow Crash and Zodiac first. I love Stephenson's humor with technical issues. I suppose I should read some of his longer, er, later books.

aaronbrethorstonSep 1, 2010

Snow Crash was originally going to be a graphic novel, and Stephenson once said that he 'spent more time on the project hacking code than writing prose.' (loosely paraphrased as I'm on my iPhone and can't find a citation at the moment)

bchonAug 9, 2014

I could hardly put down Neil Stephenson's Snow Crash. Phenomenal.

white_eskimoonOct 12, 2009

I really enjoyed recently reading Snow Crash. Watership Down was great back in the day

nitrogenonJune 19, 2015

I noticed a lot of parallels between Snow Crash and Anathem. Both had dialogues meant to educate the reader, and there is a little overlap in the concepts explored in both books.

zavulononSep 1, 2010

> Author Neal Stephenson has been credited for inspiring today’s virtual world startups with his novel Snow Crash.

Uh, shouldn't that be "Cryptonomicon"? Encouraging first sentence.

I'm very excited about this though. I thought "Anathem" was Stephenson's best since Snowcrash. I wonder how many pages the total effort is going to be.

sonofhansonJuly 19, 2020

For Snow Crash, Neal Stephenson borrowed liberally from Julian Jaynes’ idea of Bicameralism — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology)

One of the most fascinating books I’ve ever read, really. It’s unlikely to be true, and unverifiable even so, but is a coherent and compelling frame through which to observe the world.

carlesfeonDec 17, 2016

It's impossible not to reference Snow Crash by Stephenson. I wonder how much "physical" damage can you deliver with an electronic message or image.

LMYahooTFYonFeb 7, 2021

I've finished it. I thoroughly loved it. I don't want to go into any spoiling detail if you haven't read it?

It's only been some hours, so I'm honestly still processing a lot of it. I'll definitely be rereading it. It's considerably grander in scale than Snow Crash, his only other Novel I've read so far, but I'm quite excited to read his other novels.

aarongoughonMar 9, 2010

'1984' by George Orwell - Even after all this time it is a chilling look at one of the many ways a society can go wrong, particularly relevant these days because so many parts of it are coming true.

'Snow Crash' by Neal Stephenson - Awesome cyberpunk novel that anyone with an interest in programming.

'The Night's Dawn Trilogy' by Peter F. Hamilton - Fantastically engrossing series of books that are so good you will finish them wishing they were longer. The portrait painted in the books is so vivid that you will remember it for years to come.

(In case you can't tell, I like Sci-Fi :-p)

omarhaneefonDec 16, 2019

While Snow Crash is one of the all time great sci fi novels, it famously has a huge plot hole: although Stephenson saw a lot of things about the future with remarkable accuracy, he did not foresee the ubiquity of the cell phone. A simple cell phone would have undercut the main plot.

Now that we know what we know, how will they account for it?

mgummeltonDec 4, 2007

Snow Crash (Neil Stephenson)

The Bible (Various chaps)

jberrymanonOct 29, 2011

I feel the same way about sterile utopia vs. messy blade runner-type worlds.

Interestingly I'm reading Snow Crash right now, which takes place in a world that is arguable similar to the one in Blade Runner, but the anarcho-capitalist aspect of the America depicted just really gives me the creeps.

r00fusonSep 9, 2011

Agreed... I read Cryptonomicon first, then Diamond Age (my favorite from him) then Snow Crash, and I found the third book a lot less mature and dated (I read it in 2001, almost a decade after it was published).

Diamond Age painted a very deep and rich tapestry of future vision.

paloaltokidonSep 24, 2020

In that case, if you want to really freak out, read Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson. We have been steadily cruising into this future for some time now. "Libra" is just another word for "Kong Bucks."

squeaky-cleanonSep 26, 2019

Anecdotally this is true for me. I used to buy kindle books frequently, now I rarely do because costs have gone up and paperbacks are often cheaper.

Going through my email order history also confirms this to be true (in my case) except for programming ebooks. Prices listed for my purchases are kindle prices in USD. I can't lookup the paperback price on my day of purchase but it would be higher otherwise I wouldn't buy the ebook.

May 2015 I bought The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (book 1) for 4.99. Today kindle is 7.99 and paperback is 7.99 (also the ultimate edition paperback with all 5 in the series is 13.31)

May 2015 I bought The Intelligent Investor Revised for 13.99. Today kindle is 16.99 and paperback is 12.39

Jun 2015 I bought Mistborn: the Final Empire for 4.99. Today kindle is 8.99 and paperback is 8.92.

Jun 2015 I bought Soul of a New Machine for 9.99. Today kindle is 9.99 and paperback is 9.79

Aug 2015 I bought Snow Crash for $7.68. Today kindle is 13.99 and paperback is 13.15

And I can keep going but I think you all get the point.

patrickkonApr 9, 2015

"Dune" the classic sci-fi novel for the first time and I've just finished the Fountain series. Before that was Snow Crash. On a classic sci-fi reading bender right now.

jfonJan 6, 2011

It wouldn't be the first prescient thing Neal Stephenson has put in a book. Whenever I see Google Earth, I think of Snow Crash.

bluntfangonSep 10, 2019

William Gibson's Neuromancer and Sprawl Trilogy and other works.

Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash

emsalonFeb 2, 2021

That's true, I don't even remember the ending to Snow Crash which I read some ~6 years ago. The unraveling premise that comes about in the ~3rd quarter of the book is what stuck with me. Think it'll be the same for Cryptonomicon.

psb217onFeb 4, 2015

This is actually how (some) couriers worked in Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash. They latched on to the back of passing cars/trucks with magnetic harpoons and hitched a free ride until they needed to head another way.

throw1234651234onMay 15, 2020

Anathem was the last passable novel before Neal Stephenson started writing "stories" around a sci-fi concept, rather than writing stories. A throwback to Zodiac, perhaps. Snow Crash and Diamond Age were his best works.

defenonDec 13, 2013

> some of the theories in Snow Crash were incredible, and way before their time.

The namshubs from Snow Crash are pretty heavily inspired by ideas from The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. It's a very interesting book. Richard Dawkins said of it "It is one of those books that is either complete rubbish or a work of consummate genius, nothing in between! Probably the former, but I'm hedging my bets."

wintermutestwinonJuly 31, 2021

> _The Diamond Age: Or, A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer_ is my favorite of his novels. Superb pacing, fascinating vision of technology, and strong sociocultural relevance. Plus, _The Diamond Age_ knocks the stuffing out its ending!

That makes two of us! I always doubted there were others, so welcome to the club :)

I tried to get my wife into it but failed because the intro to the book is very much not like rest. All the talk of implanting guns in the head made it seem like it was going to be action sci-fi. The intro to Snow Crash is also not like the rest, but it is so hilarious that I don't mind. I always assumed that his editor(s) didn't know what to do with it, but knew there was so much awesomeness that they just left it as-is.

bookofjoeonMar 24, 2019

From https://www.inc.com/yazin-akkawi/what-science-fiction-has-ta...

"Shortly thereafter, in 1992, just as Berners-Lee's World Wide Web had come to fruition, Neal Stephenson was inspired by the recent invention, which led to him publishing Snow Crash, a science-fiction novel that illustrated much of today's online life, including a virtual reality where people meet, do business, and play.

Even today, many of today's greatest innovators reference Snow Crash as inspiration for their work. Google co-founder Sergey Brin named the book as one of his favorite novels. Google Earth designer Avi Bar-Zeev has said he was inspired by Stephenson's ideas. At Facebook, the book, alongside Ernest Cline's Ready Player One, is also given to anyone who starts a job at the virtual-reality company Oculus.

What's funny, Stephenson, who is now the Chief Futurist at the VR startup Magic Leap, told Vanity Fair that he was just "making shit up" when he wrote the novel.

streetyonJune 3, 2011

I'm actually reading Accelerando at the moment but somehow totally forgot about the crowd sourcing aspect of the new look CIA.

Investigating further Accelerando was published after Snow Crash by a fair margin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerando_%28novel%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_crash

wmeredithonDec 24, 2017

Franchised small nation-states. Check out Neal Stephendon's Snow Crash if that sort of thing interests you.

FnoordonOct 18, 2018

The book Jennifer Government by Max Barry (and of course Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson) is one of a bunch which touches upon this subject.

strictneinonNov 10, 2015

Off topic, but in the book Snow Crash, weren't the Japanese doing this with prestigious colleges and the like? Moving them brick by brick to Japan? Or was that a completely different book?

johnnysnowonDec 25, 2018

Snow Crash, by Neal Stephenson. Can't get better work leadership advice than Uncle Enzo. Then again, the protagonist has a pretty strong work ethic as well:

"The Deliverator used to make software. Still does, sometimes. But if life were a mellow elementary school run by well-meaning education Ph.D.s, the Deliverator's report card would say: "Hiro is so bright and creative but needs to work harder on his cooperation skills."

So now he has this other job. No brightness or creativity involved—but no cooperation either. Just a single principle: the Deliverator stands tall, your pie in thirty minutes or you can have it free, shoot the driver, take his car, file a class-action suit. The Deliverator has been working this job for six months, a rich and lengthy tenure by his standards, and has never delivered a pizza in more than twenty-one minutes."

imrehgonDec 13, 2013

The Beginning of Infinity - David Deutsch (enhanced my critical thinking)

The Wide Lens - Ron Adner (a more complete view for developing projects, foreseeing the inevitable problems beyond your immediate reach)

Hardboiled Wonderland and the End of the World - Haruki Murakami (just awesome)

Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson (tomorrow's world, written the day before yesterday)

And here's all the 40-something book I've read this year: https://www.goodreads.com/user_challenges/562634

obstinateonJune 19, 2015

Snow Crash is a much better book if you skim all the stuff about the ancient Mesopotamians. He gets a little off into the weeds with that stuff, and apparently the editor failed to cut things back properly.

overcastonDec 12, 2016

Your pattern is commonly stated when describing Stephenson novels. I don't even know what to think of Snow Crash. It reminded me of someone just jotting down everything in their head while sitting at a coffee shop, and then sending it to the printing press.

Thanks for the future warning.

giorgiozonJan 2, 2019

In the science fiction novel Snow Crash an image containing random white and black pixels contained a virus that could infect any developer that would see the image:
https://www.amazon.fr/Snow-Crash-Neal-Stephenson/dp/14915150...

equaluniqueonOct 19, 2019

Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash[0] offers some intriguing pointers on how to read Gilgamesh.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash

tavish1onDec 24, 2016

I started reading sci-fi(mostly hard-sf) after I read the commonwealth saga, 'Pandora's star' and 'Judas unchained'. It was just really entertaining and unlike anything I've read. Also really recommend 'Snow crash'. Also adding a couple fantasy recommendations: Lies of Locke lamora, and any basically any novel by Brandon Sanderson (Mistborn: the final empire, Warbreaker, The way of kings etc.)

hudononJuly 3, 2017

I'm curious to know if you erased all of modern civilization (governments, laws, et. all) and replaced it with decentralized apps and a blockchain-based currency, would it work? I read Snow Crash and I can see how fascinating the concepts are to libertarian technocrats, but I would like to see a rebuttal to it.

I know the transition to this model seems impossible and this is what most people in the blockchain-space blissfully ignore.

> The subtext is that a bunch of finance quants read Cryptonomicon and think the blockchain is the answer to their dream of becoming the gangster bosses of the anarcho-capitalist hellscape from Snow Crash.

This made my day, it's a shame it's too long to tweet

55555onApr 4, 2020

Thanks for this quote. I've added Snow Crash to my want-to-read list.

DanI-SonSep 19, 2011

It might be cool to read Snow Crash before Diamond Age; it's set in the future of the same timeline. Doesn't really matter too much, though.

teachrdanonFeb 15, 2020

I think you may have it backwards. Domino's was well known for their 30-minute guarantee when Snow Crash was written in 1992. Indeed, Domino's was in the midst of a lawsuit regarding it while the book was being written; it resulted in a $78 million verdict against Domino's. [0]

I give Stephenson credit for taking that guarantee to its logical extreme. And while I love the book, it's funny how basically none of the predictions in it came true. No computers that project images on eyeballs, no 'poon guns, no losers walking around scanning retinas with backpack-mounted lasers, and book features working payphone booths!

0. https://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/22/business/domino-s-ends-fa...

CommunitivityonApr 30, 2018

I loved Snow Crash ( https://www.amazon.com/Snow-Crash-Neal-Stephenson/dp/1491515... ) too.

Something I find interesting is that the instructions described in the book, the Sumerian 'Me', actually existed. They were instructions on how to do fundamental things, managed by the priests and which the Sumerians believed came from their gods and goddesses. The concept of neurolinguistic programming by the Sumerians is a nice fiction, or at least there's never been any evidence of it.

A good book on it is Sumerians: Their History, Culture, and Character, by Samuel Noah Kramer.
https://www.amazon.com/Sumerians-History-Culture-Character-P...

An online version can be found at his university:
https://oi.uchicago.edu/sites/oi.uchicago.edu/files/uploads/...

Interesting bits around the Me are around page 116.

adamfeldmanonOct 11, 2014

I'm surprised to see the lack of love of cyberpunk in this thread. Snow Crash (Neal Stephenson) is my favorite book. Ender's Game (and the rest of the series, which quickly gets very cerebral) is awesome.

I feel like we're living in the world that the cyberpunk genre foresaw. At least in my home, Houston: the urban sprawl, powerful companies, etc.

moominonSep 29, 2017

Indeed, the book isn't about Nazis and the show 100% is. Snow Crash is hard to adapt because the author treads a very fine line between the future being a negative judgement on today's values and it being... cool. I imagine they'll go for the cool and leave the eco meta narrative on the cutting room floor.

jmcgoughonAug 29, 2017

A ex and I used to read favorite novels to each other, a chapter or so every night one of us stayed over. There's something very intimate about it, and it's fun to be able to discuss characters and the books' deeper concepts as you go along. Maybe I romanticize it because I was read to a lot when I was a child.

On nice days my partner and I've been going to a nearby park, where I'll read Snow Crash to them.

It's a bit like putting a record on a record player. You make a conscious decision to focus on the experience and cut out other distractions.

adrianNonNov 2, 2019

Did they read too much Snow Crash?

davidtpateonAug 8, 2016

Creativity, Inc. by Ed Catmull
It's the story of Pixar and there's so many things I enjoyed about this book. It helped validate for me many of my instincts in running a creative business.

The Martian by Andy Weir
I very much enjoyed the story and how it was all approached.

Seven Eves by Neil Stephenson
Similar to his other books (Snow Crash and Cryptonomicon) I've gifted these a few times. I really enjoy his method of storytelling and his stories appeal to the geek in me as well.

jibonDec 12, 2015

I enjoyed all of Anathem and would have happily read another 500 pages of it. Not sure if Stephenson is the best example, his long book style is quite unique. Usually it works for me (Anathem, Cryptonomicon, I've read both at least twice) other times it doesn't (The baroque series I haven't finished). Snow crash and Zodiac are examples of him writing shorter good books too.

AmitinLAonAug 25, 2010

Snow Crash and In the Beginning was the Command Line by Neal Stephenson both introduced me to tech culture in different ways with the same result: it got me more excited about tech than anything else and made me realize that I had to work in tech, and also filled me with respect for what hackers do and regret that I was never going to be a good hacker.

lolwat____onSep 29, 2017

Ah didn't get that impression from my reading of snow crash but yeah looks like Hiro is intended to be half black and half Asian.

I do recall the first chapter of ringworld descrivig Louis Wu as having an East Asian appearance.

pavel_lishinonOct 26, 2011

And suddenly, I want to re-read Snow Crash.

And also have a digital assistant whose ethnicity changes based on who wanders into my virtual business.

JunkDNAonAug 17, 2009

I find that reading fiction on vacation really stimulates my programming brain. There's a lot to be said for letting your mind roam free for a bit. I believe PG talks about the value of letting your mind roam in one of his essays (or possibly Hackers and Painters). In particular, I've found Neal Stephenson's books to be great for this purpose. If you haven't read Cryptonomicon, Snow Crash, or Diamond Age, I would suggest reading one of them. It will satisfy your need for some "geek" content on vacation, without being all business.

musha68konSep 29, 2017

This is very “annoying” as I usually am able to dismiss most modern TV shows because of mediocre to bad writing. Each and every show I am able to skip is a huge win in life/time – most good old Star Trek and TV shows of the 80s and 90s let you skip episodes without you losing track of (most of) the story.

I digress. I’ve read Snow Crash and Ringworld – for the most part they were genuinely fantastic, let’s hope they don’t over-polish (most new productions don’t have “soul” IMHO) and over-stretch the TV adaptations (mini series ought to be enough in these cases).

While they are already at it - time to see a show based on Ursula K. LeGuin’s writings as well.

nateponAug 1, 2012

I've been thinking about this ever since reading Snow Crash. But then how would your character walk if both hands are occupied by holding a gun? Some sort of 360-degree treadmill? And then how would the game provide physical feedback (say, your character runs into a wall)?

jonnycowboyonApr 4, 2012

This is covered fairly extensively in Neil Stephenson's Snow Crash. It even uses the same term for the persistent world "metaverse!"

goatinaboatonMar 15, 2021

I hope the best for VR/AR, and the worst for Facebook

It's funny, Tron was one of the most memorable movies of my childhood. Later I watched Star Trek with the Holodeck, read Neuromancer and Snow Crash, dabbled with VRML, played with the SGI CAVE at university. I ought to be hugely excited by the progress in VR. But... I'm just not. Because Facebook and friends are not doing it because it's cool or because it will be useful to humanity, to them it's just another siphon to hoover up and monetise your personal data by steering you into purchasing and voting decisions that benefit them, not you. After literally decades of anticipation, I doubt I will bother to participate in VR.

harelonAug 13, 2018

Two books come to mind (while excluding the obvious absolute classics like Neuromancer (William Gibson) and Snow Crash (Neal Stephenson):

"Cryptonomicon" by Neal Stephenson. It goes from WW2 to modern time.

"Cyberpunk" by Katie Hafner - Read it aeons ago so working from long term memory. 3 real world stories of famous hackers and their "crimes" (Kevin Mitnick, Pengo, Robert Morris).

davidgouldonMar 12, 2020

Anathem is probably my favorite with The Diamond Age or Snow Crash second. The Baroque Cycle was very rewarding to read, it really made vivid the invention of the modern world in a way that most history doesn't, but they were not great novels. He really needs an editor who could force him to cut a lot, almost all his books would be improved by being 20% shorter.

code_WhispereronMay 30, 2017

Some choice fiction:

Daemon, by Daniel Suarez

Snow Crash, by Neal Stephenson

Gold Bug Variations, by Richard Powers

Galatea 2.2, by Richard Powers

Off to Be the Wizard, by Scott Meyer

Ready Player One, by Ernest Cline

Neuromancer, by William Gibson

The Adolescence Of P-1, by Thomas J. Ryan (from when I was just a kid)

peelleonDec 20, 2017

This year I read 31 books. Only 8 were non-fiction. I'm hoping to finish another 2 before the year ends.

My top 3 were.

1. The Mistborn series by Brandon Sanderson. This series did a good job of balancing big and little picture, while givings us a neat form of magic to learn about.

2. Stock Market Cash Flow from the RDPD series. In 2016 I had read several books on fundamental(or value) investing, and this book helped me bust out of the thinking that, that style is the only way to look at, and earn in the stock market.

3. Snow Crash. This book was just fun. The characters were enjoyable to watch, and there was some clever stuff in this book.

yialonMar 26, 2015

I would recommend " What is Zen" by Alan Watts,

Siddhartha.

"Ready Player One".

I would also suggest, "Snow Crash" by Neal Stephenson, and would echo "Cyptonomicon".

Approaching Zero: The Extraordinary Underworld of Hackers, Phreakers, Virus Writers, and Keyboard Criminals by Paul Mungo and Bryan Clough is excellent.

The American Boy's Handy Book: What to Do and How to Do It, Centennial Edition
Daniel Carter Beard

Skunk Works: A Personal Memoir of My Years at Lockheed
Rich, Ben R.

and finally, which is hard to stomach sometimes.

Applied Cryptography: Protocols, Algorithms, and Source Code
by Bruce Schneier

lewisgodowskionOct 16, 2012

Ender's Game - Orson Scott Card

Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson

tripzilchonSep 21, 2017

I loved Snow Crash (top 5 personal favourite book) and Cryptonomicon (I haven't read Seveneves yet), but I didn't like Anathem that much?

(POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOLLOW)

Especially the sort of quantum-ex-machina "twist" near the end was kind of off-putting to me. Everything so far was very well crafted and researched, but this part was a lot like "yeah multiple universes or something", but I'm not sure if it even works that way, if true.

Also I found the constant back-translating of scientific discoveries and theorems with-a-different-name kind of tedious. I caught a lot of them, but many also not and I kept feeling like I was missing out on some cool references. Even though (IMHO) I have a pretty broad general knowledge of most important scientific/math theorems.

There were some other bits I didn't like but that's personal taste. I loved the humour in Snow Crash (so much better reading than Neuromancer) and the hi-tech thriller action stuff in Cryptonomicon. Anathem seemed kind of slow, building a whole world and such (as I said, matter of taste, I don't get quite as excited about world-building in fiction/fantasy books, unlike many people).

packetpirateonJuly 2, 2019

Here are a few recommendations based on things I've read this year and last:

- Infinite by Jeremy Robinson

- The Way of Kings by Brandon Sanderson (this series is a rabbit hole)

- Scythe by Neal Shusterman

- Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson

- Stranger In A Strange Land by Robert A. Heinlein

goldfeldonNov 27, 2018

OK, since I like to write, have more so lately, have started a newsletter before and was planning to start a similar one soon, I'll bite. Except if Poe's law comes bite me and it wasn't in earnest (checked your comment history and you don't seem to make trashy comments like me), what'd you like to read about in this style? Technology, technological change, society, languages, editors, open source? What periodicity would work for you? Also I'll go finally read Snow Crash already (started once.)

FnoordonApr 12, 2020

I have two books here, Snow Crash and 1984. Pick your poison.

I'd rather have neither, but I trust my government more than corporations. Corporations will continuously try to break the law, and work around it. The government will perhaps do this as well, and a danger is when they're being pwned by the chains of another government. However, that could also be done by corporations. Crypto AG, was a corporation on a leash by USA/Germany secret services.

fao_onJuly 13, 2018

The Three Body Problem is one of my main reasons for learning Chinese :)

Vernor Vinge single handedly became one of my favourite writers (along side Clarke and Lem) with his short story True Names. I didn't find Rainbow's End as easy a read, I'll probably reapproach it after finishing The Star Diaries or Snow Crash, though.

bradleyonNov 19, 2010

Thank you for mentioning Stephenson. I haven't read him other than Snow Crash, and I don't think I finished it.

Googling Anathem brought me to this blog review of it:

http://neopythonic.blogspot.com/2008/10/thoughts-after-readi...

which reminded me of this NIH neuro anatomist who studied her own stroke, including during her multi-year recovery.

Her TED talk:
http://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke...

YouTube of same:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU

She sees the right brain hemisphere as being our "consciousness" wetware connecting us to others.

Parts of the video are esoteric, but it's fascinating to hear this first-person account from a brain researcher, especially of the morning of her stroke when her left hemishphere was damaged by a spontaneous brain hemorrhage.

Edit: couple of typos

peatmossonJune 11, 2018

I can’t second this enough. Snow Crash and Diamond Age were fun page-turners. I slogged through Cryptonomicon, but beyond that I haven’t been able to finish anything else.

I’ve heard good things about Seveneves, but I’m a little hesitant to pick it up given that it’s huge and there are thousands of other books to read.

igraviousonJune 16, 2014

I read Snow Crash ages ago but didn't get the reference.

I've been thinking about how to respond to you. I realize how it must sound for me to say that it amazes me that people will take on whatever is available to them at a particular stage in their life to pay their bills. I didn't mean it in a disparaging way. I meant it more in a, "wow, I would find it very hard, I don't think I'd be cut out for that". I'm not suggesting I'm better or worse. I've had plenty of jobs that didn't inspire me at all but they were still decent jobs by anybody's standards: software testing, software development ... though many people I'm sure couldn't imagine being stuck in front of a monitor 8+ hours a day.

FLUX-YOUonJan 21, 2018

>The worlds and experiences are reminiscent of Stephenson's Snow Crash or Cline's Ready Player One in so many ways. It's eery, fascinating, and altogether odd.

It looks more like VR Idiocracy to me. Especially if you check out twitch and see donation stuff and stream overlays. It's just a platform for vomiting memes. https://imgur.com/ZkJq1cr

On the other hand, if it were super-serious-Deus-Ex-plotting-the-control-of-the-proletariat-VR-Chat, I don't think I could take that seriously either (and would be quickly overrun with Uganda knuckles anyway).

guiambrosonJuly 9, 2016

Lessons from Habitat is one of my preferred papers of all times. I discovered for the first time in the 90's [1], and re-read many times over the years, and it still impresses me how much they achieved with such low-tech.

[1] I wasn't a user, but read about it in connection with Snow Crash, another fascinating read http://www.verbalworkout.com/ub/ub130/ub13002028.htm

dalkeonSep 25, 2013

He has since let it be reprinted. I've seen a copy at the bookstore. According to Wikipedia:

> Stephenson has said he is not proud of this book. By the time Snow Crash was published, The Big U was out of print, and Stephenson was content to leave it that way. When original editions began selling on eBay for hundreds of dollars, he relented and allowed it to be republished, saying that the only thing worse than people reading the book was paying that much to read it.

kragenonMar 25, 2021

> I was always under the assumption that they independently coined the word.

I guess it's possible? I certainly hadn't heard of Habitat in 01992, or indeed until after I met Chip, and the correspondence with the Hindu concept is quite arresting. But then again, I never had a Commodore 64, and Neal Stephenson always loves to be plugged into everything that's trendy. Farmer and Morningstar gave a paper http://www.fudco.com/chip/lessons.html at The First International Conference on Cyberspace in 01990, which seems like the kind of thing you would maybe go to if you were writing a novel like Snow Crash in 01990. But they say Habitat (or rather Club Caribe) only had 15000 users at the time.

> (if you're familiar at all with TVTropes,

I love TVTropes! If we're talking about the cyberspace avatar trope rather than the use of the word "avatar" for it, you could maybe trace that back to Vinge's 01981 True Names, as mentioned in the talk I linked above.

b3b0ponJuly 20, 2019

I feel like I might be in the minority opinion on this, but I don't enjoy any of the Netflix originals they keep pumping out. At least not enough to spend time on them. I don't like the Marvel shows, Stranger Things was okay I guess maybe, but I don't enjoy them enough like for example Game of Thrones or The Fabulous Miss Maisel or some of the others from HBO, Showtime or surprisingly Amazon. Most if not all the Netflix original content is B quality to me at best. Low production, not interesting, bad dialogue, bad stories, etc...

I have limited time. I try to spend it wisely. I'd rather use my wasted time on something far more enjoyable, like playing my NES or reading a book or movie, or even watch something of higher quality and production value (HBO is pretty reliable for that or a movie on my backlog). Or even just get out and go somewhere to see and meet people.

Right now my only subscription service is Funimation ($5/month). I like watching dubbed anime late at night too chill out before bed. Currently (re)watching Black Lagoon (it's so great!) and the Mix Simuldub. With a side of computer science books on my backlog with some related videos or courses as well as a good book which right now is Snow Crash (embarrassingly I have not read this yet).

btschaeggonFeb 4, 2017

I have read Daemon, Freedom and Kill Decision so far. A thing I noticed with Suarez' books is that they very much remind me of the two books of Dan Brown that I've read, yet not having to cringe hard at every scene that involves technology makes them infinitely more readable to me. The settings and plot with both are ludicrous at times, but yet Suarez manages to put some interesting ideas in.
I got a similar vibe off of Stephenson's Snow Crash.

By the way: I'm not the only one for whom Sobel's bio screamed "John Carmack" from the first page he's mentioned, am I?

macawfishonMar 6, 2017

The Poisoning of Eros by Raymond Lawrence Jr.

The Phenomenon of Science: A Cybernetic Approach to Human Evolution by Valentin Turchin

Paul's 1st letter to the Corinthians

History, Guilt & Habit by Owen Barfield

The Prophet by Khalil Gibran

Dawn by Octavia Butler

Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson

You Are Here by Thich Nhat Hanh

The Art of Loving by Erich Fromm

Nonviolent Communication by Marshall Rosenberg

The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

huhtenbergonSep 7, 2016

Stross next to Gibson and Stephenson... hmm.

I tried The Atrocity Archives but I couldn't get past the first half. It felt like a pile of nerd paraphernalia force-stuffed into a story line.

I mean... Neuromancer is a true masterpiece from the story to the concepts to the succinct writing, just perfect. Snow Crash is less perfect, but exceptionally enthralling nonetheless. What would be a comparable read from Stross?

bootloadonJune 30, 2012

"... When a friend offered him a job as a bike messenger, he took it — in part because couriers had been glamorized in cyberpunk novels like William Gibson’s Virtual Light and Neal Stephenson’s Snow Crash, but also because it would ease his mind ..."

Great read Klint. This is the best quote from the article and I really understand this. I remember having the best of both, working outdoors during University - some money and hard physical work. Undo-able now. Of the bike riders I see on the weekend, a fair portion I imagine are city-boys working in high-stress cerebral occupations like software & finance ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bootload/5646201528/

blinkdaddyonFeb 26, 2014

I too just finished Ready Player One. Such a great read. I tend to lean on Good Reads lately for recommendations. But picked up Atopia Chronicles (http://amzn.com/B00DUK1RKY) after browsing popular sci-fi on amazon's best-sellers list. It has great similarities to Ready Player One - virtual presences, future VR challenges, etc. but a very different kind of book (split into multiple story lines, not one continuous story). But that said, if you've not read Snow Crash then drop everything and read that next!

frosted-flakesonApr 20, 2019

Snow Crash is so bizarre. It launches you straight into the story with no explanation, starting off with some crazy pizza delivery man in a rocket car with swords and an electric zapper thing for people who don't pay the bill. The whole book is like that--it never explains how, why, or when, leaving you to piece it all together yourself. The entire time I was reading it, I was waiting for a 30000 feet view of the world. But then it ended, never having fully explained itself.

I've never read anything else quite like it, and honestly don't know what I think of it. Are all of Neal Stephenson's books like that?

ryanSrichonJune 14, 2021

Agreed. I wasn’t a big fan of seveneves.

Cryptonomicon and Snow Crash are must reads. Anathem is a beast that I just couldn’t get into, though I tried several times.

senorsmileonJuly 27, 2018

I just started Snow Crash by the same author.

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I'm reading Snow Crash at the moment for the first time.

The beginning is actually really tough going as a completely new reader today. It's just so ridiculous. I can see where he was coming from, as I grew up in that era, but it's actually pretty bizarre now given the reality is nation states, religion and banks turned out to be so much more powerful than corporations.

Which is one of the perils of predictions in ageing sci-fi.

I've been on a sci-fi kick recently of all the classics I never read (William Gibson, Ender's Game, The Mars Trilogy, Forever War, Starship Troopers, A Canticle For Leibowitz, Philip K. Dick, Hyperion Cantos, Ringworld) and re-reading some I've not read for a long time (Foundation Series).

I personally found that Snow Crash is by far the most dated book. Even Ringworld and the foundation series were better.

frikkonApr 30, 2018

I recently finished reading Snow Crash (1992), which touches on this topic in an interesting way. The general premise without giving too much away is that ancient Sumarian was made up of a specific structure that acted as a kind of assembly language for the human brain, enabling self-executing code like "How to Bake Bread" or "How to Plant a Field". A villager could go to the "source code repository" aka "the temple", get a recipe for some function they wished to complete (or needed to be completed by the village in general), and execute it by having it read to them by the priest.

This was a way to bootstrap human society, ultimately giving rise to free thought and "higher level language" that was not bound by self execution.

It was a pleasant surprise and I found myself enjoying it immensely, even with a bit of suspension of disbelief.

qwertyuiop924onSep 7, 2016

Heh, yeah. Tron 2 was disapointing to day the least.

Stephenson's novels in general are like this, although Cryptonomicon for one certainly has better character development than Snow Crash: they're a disorderly jumble of whatever ideas Stephenson thought were interesting at the time, wrapped in a skin of plot, and enfleshed in the characters that surround, encounter, and explore them. Stephenson sometimes jumps the rails entirely, writing long monologues, dialogues, and digressions that barely refer to the characters or plot at all, just because he thought the ideas were neat (most of Randy and Pontifex's discussions in prison, The mathematics of Alan's bicycle chain, a good stretch of Hiro's discussions with the Librarian (although nowhere near all of them), and Hiro's adventures in Flatland on the raft (you can just feel the seeds of In The Beginning Was The Command Line, struggling to get out)), or for reasons known only to him (probably because he thought it was funny) (the TP memo, the stockings/Van Eck... thing). To some people this may be seen as a disjointed, overhyped, overcomplicated mess, but to the right sort of mind, it's an almost magical experience.

Curiously, these sorts of people tend to be heavily into computing, which is why Stephenson pervades that culture.

Or that's wrong, and I'm just completely mad. That's also a possibility.

TRcontrarianonJuly 23, 2021

The founding text is Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson (1992). It's short, funny, entertaining, and full of new ideas in a freewheeling early 90's spirit. The list in the comment you are replying to is not bad, since most interactions you will ever have with someone about a metaverse will hinge on shared descriptions you have with them of a metaverse, so whichever books you hear about the most are by definition the most useful ones to read.

Almost everyone has read or heard of Ready Player One (2011), which contains extensive descriptions of its own corporate dystopic metaverse, albeit one that I find insufferably cliche and unoriginal.

Metaverse descriptions are descended from the first cyberspace descriptions in Neuromancer (1984) which is a beautiful book worth a read.

CodeMageonAug 21, 2012

My biggest problem with Stephenson's works is that he doesn't really finish his books, he either just stops abruptly (e.g. "Diamond Age" or "Snow Crash") or winds down gently, but anticlimactically (e.g. "Cryptonomicon" or "Anathem").

I still love his books, because they're full of awesomeness and the ending doesn't make the rest of the book crap (unlike what BioWare did to Mass Effect with the original ME3 ending).

PaninoonNov 5, 2017

  * Johnny Got His Gun, by Dalton Trumbo. Powerful anti-war story.
* Vagabonding, by Rolf Potts. Shaped my views on hard work and travel.
* 1984, by George Orwell. Brilliant and terrifying.
* The Power of Now, by Eckhart Tolle. Overcoming mental pain through consciousness.
* Planetwalker, by John Francis. Inspired me to walk and put myself into things more.
* Pure enjoyment: Snow Crash (Neal Stephenson), Ready Player One (Ernest Cline), Watchmen (Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons), Red Rising trilogy (Pierce Brown).

Honorable mention: The Water Knife (Paolo Bacigalupi).

dodobirdlordonMay 27, 2020

Somebody else gave the Redshift explanation.

> Snowball

It's like Glacier, but it's smaller and moves more quickly. I think this is one of the dumb-codenames-turned-real that crop up from time to time. Fargate is another notable example.

> Chime

A chime is a notification. That's about all I got.

> Route 53

DNS runs on port 53, Route 66 is a famous highway.

> Sumarian

It's a really niche joke about the novel Snow Crash, that popularized the concept of digital "avatars".

excuse-meonJune 15, 2012

Diamond age is interesting, he almost gets to write actual characters. Snow Crash is an 80s heavy metal album made into a book. Cryptomincon is excellent.

The Baroque cycle - you have to like Baroque. All those gold filigrees and cherubs of a Baroque opera house don't compare to the elegant lines of a Gothic cathedral and these three books aren't a lean story.

Anathem - I have to read again to decide if it's simply too long or if there is a point.

Readme - I can only assume he got a massive tax bill or is channeling the spirit of Michael Chrichton on a bad day. The only thing that raises it above Tom Clancy is that his editor managed to cut out 1000pages of weapons specifications.

karatestomponMay 15, 2020

Sure, and my breadth of reading of and connection with Stephenson‘s work, especially considering his popularity, are such that I wouldn’t claim anything like authority on the matter. Just offering another view in case anyone’s in here looking for reading advice or recommendations, for which I think I have just enough experience and perspective to offer something that might help someone, at least so far as defending Cryptonomicon as, to the right reader, a highlight among Stephenson’s books, and maybe not just for crypto nerds (I wouldn’t count myself as one). Lots and lots of people really like the three of his books that struck me as so-so to poor, so plenty of folks surely think I’m wrong there.

Snow Crash could definitely make a good series. Of the three I’ve read but didn’t like much, I’d say it’s the one I’d be most likely to enjoy as a show even if it barely deviated from the book, in fact. Hell, it has a better shot in that format than Cryptonomicon would. And anyway, Cryptonomicon’s more speculative elements are probably not aging very well since I read it—too much of it’s become ordinary and mundane.

dylanzonMay 15, 2020

The first book I ever read from Neal was Cryptonomicon and I absolutely LOVED it. I think I heard about Van Eck phreaking at some point, heard it was in the book, and was intrigued. I read Snow Crash after and was blown away. It's so different from Cryptonomicon but the tangents are fantastic.

When I think about all the books I've read in my lifetime, Snow Crash has given me the coolest and most fun mental images out of all books. I'm 40+ years old, and when I'm stuck in traffic, I still think about latching on to cars in front of me and escaping the grid I'm sitting in.

e12eonJune 20, 2015

> just finished Cryptonomicon (which I really liked—probably my favorite of the three).

I pretty much gave up Stephenson after I got half way through "Cryptonomicon". (Really enjoyed "Snowcrash" and loved "Diamond Age"). But then I read (half of) it after I'd just finished Singh's "The Code Book".

It just felt like Stephenson's science and drama subtracted from the real-world science and drama the book was inspired by.

My theory was that after "Diamond Age" he couldn't get an editor that dared cut his manuscripts in half any more. But I'm willing to give some of his newer books a chance -- I see they're quite well received by people that seem to like other good books :-)

If you enjoyed "Snow Crash", you might also enjoy (or hate...) Bruce Sterling's "Islands in the Net".

throw1234651234onJuly 23, 2021

Neal Stephenson's earlier work has "more soul" - Snow Crash / Diamond Age actually has characters you care about and like, his later novels get increasingly more abstract, though even better in the technical sense. I think the only character I remember from Seveneves is the cannibal leader, that's it.

"A Deepness in the Sky" was REALLY good. The Forever War was good for the concept.

In short, yours looks like a great list I will come back to, thank you.

However, I do strongly dislike Remembrance of Earth's Past / The Three Body Problem - it's vastly overrated in my opinion and the characters make no sense. The best part of it was the intro to the first book which gave an interesting glimpse at history.

FnoordonOct 13, 2017

You also grew up reading Snow Crash wink

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packetpirateonDec 13, 2018

So far this year, I've read the following:

- Revelation Space

- Armada

- I, Strahd: The Memoirs of a Vampire

- The Sleeping Dragon

- Wizardry: The League of the Crimson Crescent

- Snow Crash

- Scythe

- Off to Be The Wizard

- Spell or High Water

- An Unwelcome Quest

- Thunderhead

- Everlost

- Replay

- Stranger in a Strange Land

- The Amulet of Samarkand

- Everwild.

I'm currently reading A Conjuring of Light and The Way of Kings.

I was able to read so much more than I usually can because of audiobooks. I had a long commute for a couple months, so that helped me knock a book every week or so off my list.

Of the books I've already read this year, I think I would recommend Scythe and Thunderhead the most, but Snow Crash is a must-read, and Stranger in a Strange Land is pretty interesting, but I think a lot of it was lost on me because of the time period-specific language used throughout; it made it hard to understand the interactions between people.

As far as what surprised me? Probably Snow Crash. For some reason, I read somewhere that Ready Player One ripped off Snow Crash and while reading it, I just couldn't understand why they would think that... the two are really nothing alike. Pretty much the only common ground is a virtual world...

karatestomponMay 15, 2020

Cryptonomicon’s the only one of his four books I’ve read that I thought held up for the whole length. Anathem was interesting but spent too much time treading water, then fizzled out. The Diamond Age was one of my favorite first thirds of a sci-fi book that ended up being one of the most frustrating books I’ve finished. I’ve rarely been angry at a book but that one did it, so, that’s something I guess. I’ve read an actual book of Sumerian texts in translation so my Can Tolerate Boring cred is legit, but the mythology sections of Snow Crash—which are a lot of the book—were a real slog. Cryptonomicon? Consistent and fine throughout, and even has a real ending that might have been thought out from near the beginning.

__david__onApr 13, 2015

Yeah, just let me repeat what the other replies to you have said, Anathem is very much worth reading. It starts out kind of confined and a little slow. But it starts picking up steam and then goes off in a wonderful direction I never ever expected.

For me it's in his top three books along with Snow Crash and Diamond Age. It's also on a very short list of "books I will definitely read again at some point".

If the Baroque Cycle doesn't appeal up front, you're probably fine skipping it. I liked them, but I really had to push myself through large parts of each book. I kind of felt like they needed to be edited down a bit.

saeranvonSep 17, 2020

This reminds me of the neuro-linguistic virus in Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash. 'Snow Crash' in the novel refers to a version of the virus encoded in a bitmap image which can cause hackers (who are used to processing information in binary form) to suffer brain damage.

zenononJuly 31, 2012

Jaynes' ideas occasionally surface in science fiction. Two examples are Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson and Aristoi by Walter Jon Williams. The last one is an underappreciated gem IMHO.

aphyronJune 15, 2012

The prose is ...weak, to say the least

Really? I mean sure, on the scale of "everything written in the English language" it may not be top notch, but I think it's one of Stephenson's best crafted works. The allusive density and rhythm of the prose is delightful, and it's packed with juicy, gritty metaphors. Who could forget:

The Deliverator's car has enough potential energy packed into its batteries to fire a pound of bacon into the Asteroid Belt. Unlike a bimbo box or a Burb beater, the Deliverator's car unloads that power through gaping, gleaming, polished sphincters... You want to talk contact patches? Your car's tires have tiny contact patches, talk to the asphalt in four places the size of your tongue. The Deliverator's car has big sticky tires with contact patches the size of a fat lady's thighs. The Deliverator is in touch with the road, starts like a bad day, stops on a peseta.

Yeah, it may not be provocative, life-altering science fiction, but dammit, Snow Crash is good storytelling.

euroclydononSep 1, 2010

There are also social features that allow readers to create their own profiles, earn badges for activity on the site or in the application, and interact with other readers.

If characters in Snow Crash or Diamond Age were "earning badges" or tweeting, I'm pretty sure I would have put the book down. Why can't the "social" interactions take on a more mission-critical function?

tech2onDec 10, 2019

Every time I read a Stephenson novel I have to break through that first quarter to a third before I'm fully taken in. It's like a dog or cat finding a comfortable position to sleep in. Snow Crash, The Diamond Age, Cryptonomicon, all require me to push through that first part before I can get comfortable.

I had tried (and failed) to read Crypto about 3 times before I finally broke through and realised his plotting wasn't bad, he just couldn't set it up right, or something.

brotossonJuly 18, 2014

Yep, just went through my list of 38 and only 2 are on unlimited. My list is comprised of relatively popular books that are relatively old, nothing like new or anything. Examples: Army at Dawn, Eternal Golden Braid, Tale of Dueling Neurosurgeons, When Genius Failed, Snow Crash, Good Omens, The Signal and The Noise, The Looming Tower. I would expect at least a couple of these to be on there, its not like they're at peak popularity or anything.

But I did chuckle at Piketty's Capital being on unlimited.

frosted-flakesonMay 15, 2020

I have similar feelings about the book. "an astronomical amount of suspension of disbelief" is a good way of putting it. There's too much detail and too little explanation, and so I felt like I couldn't see the forest because the trees were in the way.

Here's a HN comment I wrote shortly after reading it last year:

> Snow Crash is so bizarre. It launches you straight into the story with no explanation, starting off with some crazy pizza delivery man in a rocket car with swords and an electric zapper thing for people who don't pay the bill. The whole book is like that--it never explains how, why, or when, leaving you to piece it all together yourself. The entire time I was reading it, I was waiting for a 30000 feet view of the world. But then it ended, never having fully explained itself.

> I've never read anything else quite like it, and honestly don't know what I think of it. Are all of Neal Stephenson's books like that?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19704665

carlesfeonSep 7, 2016

I just finished Snow Crash and found it too pretentious and convoluted, like the turn that Diamond Age does towards the ending. Besides that, it introduces a few interesting concepts, but I feel that similar ideas are developed much better in DA.

For me, Stephenson's masterpiece is Diamond Age, hands down -- minus the ending, if that could be a thing. The last chapters are too obscure just for the sake of obscurity, I've read it three times and I can't get any "deep" meaning to it, just a bunch of wow-cool-but-irrelevant text.

Regarding Cryptonomicon, the first three books, they're straigtforward, interesting, and with a lot of references and trivia but it doesn't try too hard like the "Gods" part of Snow Crash. I really, really enjoyed them.

Unfortunately, I found the Cryptonomicon prequels a nice adventure book in the traditional sense, but the characters were too flat and un-relatable, and it bored me.

Anyway, that's my opinion. Diamond Age introduced me to cyberpunk and, to date, it's my favorite novel of the genre. I've recommended it to many people and they've always liked it. I still dream of the day when we have matter compilators, and victorians look like a bunch of hipsters to me, which is both funny and very realistic. In a world full of technology, rich people will want to go back to a more... simple and comfortable age. It blew my mind.

Negative1onSep 21, 2017

As a huge fan of Neal Stephenson I found Seveneves to be one of his worst books. Cryptonomicon, Diamond Age, Snow Crash; some of my favorite books so the length of the book has nothing to do with it. The characters were flat, unbelievable and unlikable. The dialogue was weak and awkward. The scenario felt contrived and uninspired (the moon blew up, earth had to evacuate; yep, Cowboy Bebop already set a high bar for this story).

I listened to this one in the car (10+ hours for books a week thanks to my drive). Maybe it was a rough week but I had to stop halfway through because it completely lost me. Maybe it gets better but having read the spoilers I really can't imagine how.

But hey, your mileage may vary.

ben_wonMar 24, 2021

I really enjoyed Snow Crash; I felt that Seveneves was two completely different books that were coincidentally in the same universe, nether of which felt bad in isolation, but they definitely didn’t feel unified.

I wasn’t a fan of Quicksilver, but as that was the first historical novel I’ve listened to, and as it was award winning, I assume it must be more about my tastes than the quality of the writing?

jillesvangurponJune 14, 2021

I'm currently re-reading Seveneves again. Great book. I even like the third part which many people have criticized. However, that might have actually planted the seed for this new book.

This book looks like it might be a bit in the same spirit in the sense that our home planet is abused a bit. Part three of Seveneves is about the aftermath of essentially terra forming Earth in the distant future after it gets destroyed in part 1.

People think about other planets when it comes to terra forming but of course our home planet might be the easiest one to practice on and doing so might get a bit urgent as we seem to be destroying it. Great premise for a near future science fiction novel.

If you are looking for recommendations. Ian Banks can be a bit hard to read but can be very entertaining. Arthur C Clarke wrote some awesome science fiction. More recently, The Martian (Andy Weir) was great. And Andy Weir just published another book that's on my list to read soon. The expanse series of books (James S. A. Corey) is a good read. 2312 (Stanley Robinson) is also worth a look.

And of course if you at all enjoyed Seveneves, you might want to read the rest of what NS wrote. Anathem is great. Snow Crash, the Diamond Age, and Cryptonomicon are classics at this point.

wallfloweronJan 13, 2009

I have to find my copy of Snow Crash. That beginning of that novel might foreshadow how cut-throat the pizza delivery business is in the future.

throw1234651234onJuly 23, 2021

I know what you are talking about, despite being on the opposite end of that spectrum. Snow Crash / Diamond Age are cyberpunk/post-cyberpunk ala Gibson and completely different from Stephenson's other books.

I couldn't even get through Cryptonomicon, and Jack Shaftoe did not strike me as a believable genius, nor his story. Anathem kind of strafed the line - it had SOME character development, and SOME action, but was mainly world-building / intellectual exploration. Stephenson's other books fall too far on that spectrum for me.

ynnivonJan 10, 2010

Wow, that was really boring. Replace everything with "Microsoft", and this could have been written 15 years ago. Use "IBM", and it would have been 25 years ago. There are many great techno-dystopian stories, but this is a rank amateur attempt. The print version would have red pen in the margins: character development? story arc? unnecessary detail!

If you liked this story, you are required to have read Snow Crash.

crucinionDec 12, 2016

OK. I find Neuromancer and Snow Crash pretty similar, as raw, high energy cyberpunk books with no attempt at respectability. Gibson was artier and a better writer (in the narrow sense of prose stylist.) It's kind of hard to picture someone liking one and disliking the other.

Now I could see liking those early books and disliking the later output of both authors; they became wordier, softer, more pretentious - while keeping a lot of merit.

runevaultonSep 20, 2011

I haven't tried Anathem yet (though I have it) but I never got past the first part of Baroque cycle, and I loved Snow Crash (probably my all time favorite novel), Cryptonomicon, and even Diamond Age. I've heard once you make it past the initial Wodehouse moment it gets better, but my god he bored me to tears with that. Considering how much I ate up all the insanity in Snow Crash that's saying a lot ;).

aidenn0onMay 15, 2020

That's funny because I love The Diamond Age, I like Snow Crash and thought Cryptonomicon was mediocre at best. I also never made it to the second half of Seveneves because I disliked the beginning so much.

Clearly there are two styles of Stephenson books, and we like the opposite ones.

[edit]

Maybe I should try finishing Seveneves to see if I like the ending?

losvedironSep 26, 2019

Ready Player One's Oasis, here we come. I know John Carmack has been talking about something like this for a while, and I'm interested to see how it is.

I was an early backer of the original Oculus for the promise of something like this. I've been excited about the idea of a programmable VR world since reading Snow Crash.

I'm just a little disappointed it's happening via Facebook, which I don't use, but at least they have the resources to really make it work.

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cletusonMay 15, 2020

So I read Snow Crash years ago and loved it (although endings aren't Stephenson's strong suit) but I'm not sure how well this will hold up today on screen.

Cyberpunk was thinly-veiled xenophobia about the Japanese and this was really the zeitgeist of the 1980s. Granted the ideas of virtual reality, what we now know as the Internet (to be fair, the Internet already existed in the 1980s in nascent form) and personal enhancement were fairly new ideas at the time but we're now living in that future and it is of course nothing like the dystopia predicted.

It's really no coincidence that the heyday for all this was the 1980s (Blade Runner, Neuromancer and so on). I wouldn't be surprised if this is what the project is stuck on: interpreting and translating this story to the small screen in a modern way.

metaphormonDec 12, 2016

My opinion on Stephenson:

Cryptonomicon is fun, Baroque Cycle is great, Anathem is his best work (from a literary perspective), and Seveneves is 2/3rds awesome 1/3rd bad scifi pulp.

Snow Crash is how most people first encounter him. It's a warmed over cyberpunk book that repeats a lot of what Gibson did, but is also good.

The Diamond Age is one of the best pieces of speculative fiction written in the last 20 years except that it fails badly to have a coherent story with an ending that makes sense. Which is a shame considering the ideas in the book are so good.

REamde is shit and should never have been published. Dude was playing too much World of Warcraft at the time and decided to write a novel about playing too much World of Warcraft. Bad book. Avoid.

bostikonJuly 15, 2018

Asimov's original "Foundation" - it's effectively a collection of 4,5 short stories. I recommend to remain at a discreet distance from the rest of the series. While good within the universe, they are ... different.

"Ender's Game" and "Speaker for the Dead" by O.S.Card. (Do not touch Xenocide without a hazmat suit. And if you do, burn it before reading.)

"Snow Crash" by Neil Stephenson.

"Rendez-vouz with Rama" by Arthur C. Clarke.

If you're up for some thought-provoking stuff, "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Heinlein. Not the easiest read but your carve-out basically rules out "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress".

"Embassytown" by China Mieville.

EDIT: I forgot "Hyperion" by Dan Simmons.

nathanielksmithonNov 3, 2010

Just finished Snow Crash (Neal Stephenson). About 100 pages into the Wind-Up Bird Chronicles (Haruki Murakami). Next is The Invention of Morel (Adolfo Bioy Casares).

I find that reading recharges my creative thinking. I used to think it was purely relaxation, but now consider it as essential as sleeping / eating well.

ohaideredevsonFeb 4, 2019

I agree with you entirely - books are escapism. But there are levels of escapism - you would agree that a book is better than heroin, right? If so, you agree that there is a hierarchy. Reading teaches a lot of useful skills, such as, you know, reading.

Then there is the fact that both video games and books can teach, but there are diminishing returns. When I first read Snow Crash and Neuromancer, they taught me a lot of things. Now there is virtually nothing I can draw from most sci-fi.

FnoordonJuly 2, 2019

Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson, SF from 1992. Goodreads entry here [1]

[1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40651883-snow-crash

HikikomorionMay 6, 2021

One of my favourite cyberpunk novels was inspired by this, Snow Crash.

sfjailbirdonMay 15, 2020

To your last comment, I bought Snow Crash, based on a lot of recommendations, and hated it, for the stated reasons. It completely put me off Neal Stephenson. Then, much later, I relented and got Cryptonomicon, and it is one of my favorite books ever.

I have since dabbled a bit with Stephenson, and amazingly his other books fall along the same divide for me. Zodiac is amazing, the Victorian sci-fi series (Diamond Age?) are unreadable. One book, Seveneves, the first part is amazing Neal Stephenson, the second is lazy, naive and dumb Neal Stephenson. Super puzzling, almost as if he has (really bad) ghost writers.

I have since gone back to Snow Crash (could not finish it the first time), and with some overbearing, it is not entirely unlikable.

jsolsononApr 25, 2018

Ooof. Stephenson is among my favorite authors. Before Seveneves that wouldn't have had a qualifier.
I re-read Cryptonomicon every year or two, the baroque cycle about half that frequently, and Anathem a couple times now. I own Snow Crash and The Diamond Age in first editions. I cannot imagine re-reading Seveneves; it was both not a totally flawed plot (a quality I can ordinarily forgive in a Stephenson novel -- I love a good yarn) and it killed everyone I know and love, in an immediate near future sense, on the page in front of me.

It was, for lack of a better description, a callous novel.

radical_cutonJune 9, 2012

As someone who just finished reading Snow Crash today (great stuff btw, can't wait for another Stephenson's book) I'd be thrilled to see this and try it in action.

As someone who's been into martial arts for some time I'm very sceptic about this. There's a lot more to realistic fighting than just swinging and clashing swords: footwork, body movement, weight transfer...

Nevertheles, even if it won't turn out to be perfect it could stil be a lots of fun. I'll be watching their progress.

CodeMageonFeb 16, 2018

My favorite sci-fi and fantasy books are those that come up with a world different from ours and then take that difference and explore its effects on society. I'd like to offer some examples:

- "Hello Summer, Goodbye" by Michael Coney

- "Oryx and Crake" by Margaret Atwood (the first book in the Maddaddam trilogy)

- "The Fifth Season" by N. K. Jemisin (the first book in the Broken Earth trilogy)

- "The Mechanical" by Ian Tregillis (the first book in the Alchemy Wars trilogy)

- "Nexus" by Ramez Naam (the first book in the Nexus trilogy)

- "Snow Crash" by Neal Stephenson

- "Pandora's Star" by Peter F. Hamilton (part of the Commonwealth Saga)

- "Hyperion" and "Fall of Hyperion" by Dan Simmons

- "Lock In" by John Scalzi

- "Blindsight" by Peter Watts

LioonJuly 30, 2020

It’s a driving plot component in the book Snow Crash too.

UdoonOct 9, 2013

I'm willing to talk about it on your terms, you don't have to bend to my mental models. I just don't have enough data yet to reason about yours ;)

> On a related note, I remember Dawkins spoke about memes and how ideas can be seen as some kind of virus that are subject to evolution.

I haven't read his books yet, but this stands to reason. Memes share a lot of characteristics with organisms, and humanity has built a great eco system for them in recent years. The first time I realized that ideas are actually evolutionary programs was in the 90s when I read Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash.

ykonJune 15, 2012

  Male Character .... Check
Female Character .. Check
Nuclear Weapon .... Check
=> James Bond with iPhones

We should just hide the minority report and stop this crime against literature from happening.

[Edit] Obviously I should elaborate a bit: Snow Crash is precisely the type of book, where it is really easy to make an disappointing movie. It has enough action scenes to fill 90 minutes without ever mentioning any of the interesting concepts of the book.

lifeisstillgoodonNov 16, 2016

I am going to go with - "at last !"

It is nearly 25 years since I read Snow Crash, and read the description of the virtual earth - able to dive down form Space, and look round cities, seeing data feeds in real time, including your own position...

We are soooo close. Just don't trust the guy with the glass knives

[#] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash

alex_stoddardonJune 11, 2019

It is on my to-read-someday list but Snow Crash was published in 1992!

aerovistaeonMay 14, 2020

Snow Crash by the same author changed my thinking. The idea of an ideology as a conceptual virus really transformed my thinking towards religion. I was already an atheist, but it really made me see it in a new light-- the way religion can consume people's minds and seems to spread from one to another like a sickness.

vitovitoonJan 1, 2013

> using people's words against them is a problem with or without perfect recall

Yes, it is! But one thing I've learned in managing online communities is that you don't give people the ability to do something you don't want them to do. I don't feel having perfect electronic recall should be a feature without more context sensitivity.

> For trade secrets, etc, you do what any high security facility does

Except for the Steve Mann argument: it's a prosthesis. When you take the hardware away from him, you're disabling him. He becomes disoriented and cannot function as well. It's like taking away a wheelchair, or crutches, or a hearing aid. And when more and more of your potential employees rely on these devices 18 hours a day, more and more will be negatively impacted. No, I think it's something that has to be fixed in the legal system or fixed in the entire design of a wearable system.

> Works of fiction I've found interesting in this vein

The novel "Snow Crash" has wearable computing used only by a subset of wired individuals derisively called "gargoyles." Everyone else still uses workstations.

The "Old Man's War" series of books has soldiers with embedded computers, including a subset of soldiers who have them embedded since birth.

The novel "Permanence" also has them, but used for pervasive IP rights enforcement.

The novel "Signal to Noise" has an elite intellectual class with implants that work with pervasive wireless sensors and fully immersive workstations.

The film "Stranger Than Fiction" has AR-style overlays at least during the opening sequences.

The short film "Sight" touches on AR and behavorial control a bit: http://vimeo.com/46304267

This kottke.org piece covers a few other shorts: http://kottke.org/12/04/the-real-google-glasses

cableshaftonSep 29, 2017

Probably an unpopular opinion here, but maybe I'll watch Snow Crash now that I won't have to wade through the awful word vomit "let me prove how smart I am" never-ending-sentences that Neal Stephenson used in that book.

I've also read Cryptonomicon, and he dials it down a lot more in that one (although it's still present), and I found it a lot more readable.

alexqgbonNov 20, 2014

Haven't read Snow Crash, but really enjoyed RP1. Though it's set in the semi-near future, it's got a plot device that means the (very well constructed) story packed with pop culture references from the early 80s to early 90s. If you're the right age to have had an Atari, you're likely to enjoy it more than most.

That said, Lucky Palmer is too young to have grown up with this stuff, but is apparently such a big fan of the book that he asks all new hires at Oculus to read it before their first day on the job.

hinkleyonMar 21, 2018

Might be time for me to read Snow Crash again. But I’m worried it’ll just scare me.

NikolaeVariusonNov 17, 2020

Snow Crash refers to a virus, that in the book, only works on "hackers", since their brains understand code, and just need to see the raw bitmap of it for their brain to stop working.

The book contains alot of analysis on the nature of information and how it spreads, and the methods in which you can literally re-program a person with language.

I think its an apt analogy, your buddy is a programmer that has been exposed to Snow Crash, a virus of misinformation, and has shut down a part of his functioning.

======

"You're a hacker, that means you have deep structures to worry about, too."

"Deep structures?"

"Neurolinguistic pathways in your brain. Remember the first time you learned binary code?"

"Sure."

"You were forming pathways in your brain. Deep structures. Your nerves grow new connections as you use them - the axons split and pushed their way between the dividing glial cells - your bioware self-modifies - the software becomes a part of the hardware. So now you're vulnerable - all hackers are vulnerable - to a nam-shub. We have to look out for each other."

"What's a nam-shub? Why am I vulnerable to it?"

"Just don't stare into any bitmaps..."

bostonpeteonDec 29, 2015

He's done all that reading and still hasn't read Snow Crash? What the what...?

Edit: It's been on his "Still Haven't Read" list since 2010. Maybe it's some sort of inside joke at this point...

gknoyonMay 22, 2015

I've read great short fiction, but nearly every time I read something Really Awesome or Interesting, I end up wanting to read more exploring interesting things in that world. Parallel events, precursors, Lore, etc. I dislike when there's a constant "To be Continued...." (Wheel of Time, Game of Thrones), but love when there's a series of related books that each can stand alone, but also enrich a shared lore. I absolutely devoured nearly everything in the Dragonlance novels and Star Wars extended universe books, for example.

Whenever I read the first book of a book like Dune, or Foundation, or Earthsea, or Anne Leckie's Ancillary Justice, or the Diamond Age (or Snow Crash) I end up wishing for more from that same universe of Lore. Sometimes this ends up being something amazing, like the Foundation series, other times the sequel fails to hold me, or goes off the deep end like some fantasy serieses seem to.

I think I end up gravitating towards trilogies. I know there's more to the story arc than just one book, and but enough written that I (in theory) won't be left in the lurch. :-)

Then again, I also read all [at the time] of the Honor Harrington series, because I loved the characters and political story arc(s), but ended up getting burned out and never reading the more recent novels. I don't even know or recall if it was a feeling that it jumped the shark, I just didn't feel I had the energy to devote to it.

pizzaonDec 25, 2018

Have you read the novel Snow Crash? You should if you haven't.

mrslaveonMay 17, 2020

Late comment. There is an audio book of Snow Crash that strikes the right tone (a bit flat?) and the humor of the work is not lost. Makes for the right amount of background noise for some coding activities if you've already read the book.

I am not looking forward to the TV show because it will be a different experience. (I watch very little TV these days anyway.) I will probably just avoid it. Altered Carbon had some success but I believe the second season is terrible despite it being my favorite book.

lhlonMar 23, 2015

Having re-read Snow Crash last year, I'd have to say that while the books have a bit of overlap (the deleterious effects of post-industrialization is something of a theme from the earliest cyberpunk, it's almost a defining characteristic), they differ quite a bit, both thematically and stylistically.

On style/tone, Snow Crash is a bit zanier, more satirical, and boisterous, while The Peripheral is by and large sharper, more grounded, and spare (typical Gibson).

In terms of story/plot (spoilers, obviously), while Snow Crash revolves primarily around a world-domination plot and a world-spanning chase to unravel that plot and the development of a seekrit cyber-weapon, The Peripheral focuses on a much more mundane, chance encounter that spirals out (unraveling much more like a whodunit, including the reveal) that takes place primarily in 2 "locations" (with the central conceit/twist described in the linked article about a historical/simulated world and the future-present) - so in other words, they're totally different, and I'm surprised you'd make any sort of plot connections from the article's description!

While it wasn't perfect (I also reread Neuromancer last year, so maybe The Peripheral suffers in comparison), it was a pretty fun read and had a bit to chew on so I'd certainly recommend it if you're an SF fan.

acherononSep 29, 2017

I love Cryptonomicon but I don't think it would be adaptable in any way that bears more than a superficial similarity to the book. Though actually I feel the same way about Snow Crash, so we'll see.

As far as adaptability of Stephenson goes, I could see Zodiac, or maybe REAMDE, that would work in a way that resembles the books. Maaaybe Seveneves, though you have to deal with the significant separation between Part 2 and Part 3.

The rest of his books, including Cryptonomicon and Snow Crash, are too intertwined with "theoretical" concepts to make much sense in an adaptation. I mean, yes: you can have a show or movie about a pizza deliverer/hacker named Hiro Protagonist who swordfights in the metaverse; or Jack and Eliza's Adventures in Enlightenment Europe; or whatever. But the real underpinnings of the story aren't going to make it in and that's what makes Stephenson's books interesting.

thinkofnothingonMar 26, 2014

Highly doubtful, unless you're sarcastically implying that FB's implementation will end up as a Disney-esque world that's obsessed about a generation long past and of little relevance 60 years in the future. If so, you might be onto something.

Ready Player One was a fun read but ultimately a Willy Wonka type of story - impractical and its explanations of the actual VR implementation were questionable at best (or omitted entirely? I don't remember exactly, since my only impression at the time was that it was trivial).

For better ideas on how a virtual world could work, including reasonable hard science to back up claims, read Snow Crash (Stephenson), True Names (Vinge), or Rainbow's End (Vinge) instead. After that, you will quickly realize why many VR purists absolutely detest Oculus's acquisition.

As a side note, I distinctly remember Oculus PR in the past claiming they were "building the Metaverse" a la Snow Crash, but I guess they quickly jumped ship to Ready Player One's image instead. Makes sense, seeing as how spoiler alert the fictional monopoly that develops optical hardware in Snow Crash ends up completely corrupt and a perfect example of Schumpeter's classic theories on economics and innovation. I guess Oculus pictures their future selves to be enlightened, benevolent multibillionaires like Og in Ready Player One. Unfortunately, with FB in the mix and the choices Oculus has made, seems like Stephenson's vision is much much more relevant.

mauvehausonApr 23, 2017

If you haven't read Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson, he refers to people doing just that (reusing proven business plans) as three-ringers. I.e. people who got their business plan in a 3-ring binder, and are implementing it without much in the way of critical thinking about why it works or ambition to do much beyond implementing it.

laughinghanonFeb 5, 2019

Snow Crash, by Neal Stephenson

"Wait a minute--this Snow Crash thing, is it a virus, a drug, or a religion?"

"What's the difference?"

This was the original definition of a "meme" as coined by Richard Dawkins: instead of humans choosing what to think, what if ideas self-replicate using human minds as hosts? Religions, languages, agriculture, chemistry, the word "like", uptalk, literally any thought or behavior pattern can be framed this way.

See also: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage...

hprotagonistonMay 15, 2020

Worldview indoctrination is a fun game, I suppose. A mix of fiction and biography is probably about right:

Fiction:

Douglas Copeland's "Microserfs"

Neal Stephenson, "Snow Crash" and perhaps especially "Cryptonomicon" (the early randy chapters and anything about Eiphphyte in particular)

Real Genius (the film).

Nonfiction:

Steven Levy's Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution. All the elder gods are here.

Cliff Stoll, The Cuckoo's Egg.

redthrowawayonSep 10, 2011

The first time I tried reading Anathem, I couldn't get into it and put it down for a year. Then, while travelling (read: lots of time on my hands), I picked it up again and couldn't put it down until I finished it. The richness of the world and the pacing of the plot (past page 300 or so) as the mystery is revealed is gripping. I didn't think it was an earth-shattering book, but it was certainly a great read. In the same vein, Ender's Game is just another book about a child prodigy/outcast who saves the day. It seemed far more profound when I was 13 than it did upon re-reading. Some books aren't revolutionary; they're just a good read.

I haven't read Snow Crash or Diamond Age, but I'm about a quarter of the way through Cryptonomicon right now and it's starting to get good. I find Stephensen's books tend to start off slowly then quickly pick up steam.

nikcubonMay 20, 2011

I'd prefer to keep the visualization of Snow Crash in my mind and not have it screwed up by some cheap and tacky production that will never match expectations.

Some books should just remain books, and both Snow Crash and Neuromancer are in that bucket. If Gibson wants to be a screenwriter, then he should write a story for the screen.

3GuardLineupsonJuly 23, 2021

yall need to read Snow Crash

tptacekonApr 27, 2017

I don't know if you read Snow Crash but I think this is how it all ends.

UberMouseonJuly 15, 2019

It's from Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson

mootothemaxonJuly 13, 2012

Whilst there appear to be many reasonable male members of the IT community, one thing holding us back is the number of people who attempt to justify a blatantly wrong situation.

Examples include arguing over the definition of sexism, saying stuff like "that's just the difference between men and women," or coming up with hyperbole about how it's not now possible to talk to woman without being labelled a creep.

I do wonder how much is because, to badly misquote Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash, of males believing that they're too intelligent to be sexist.

classicsnootonApr 8, 2015

Snow Crash by Neil Stephenson 11/10
Enemies Abroad by Luke Bencie ~2/10
An Unquiet Mind by Kay Redfield Jamison ?/10

XichekolasonJan 2, 2010

None of Stephenson's books really have much of an ending (or in some cases much of a coherent plot)... the closest I can think of (in the way of endings) is Snow Crash.

But he writes with wonderful detail and humor, and seems really great at writing believable near-term futures, which I imagine are much harder than writing about the distant future (where everything can be fantastical).

daveslashonJuly 28, 2021

This is a good point. Perhaps they're a utility and/or common-carrier only in certain contexts? The article points out "Public utility comes from a contractual relationship between the government and that entity that is supposed to be the public utility". Other's have pointed out that when government employees use Google search, there's no contract in place. The latter may be true, but I'd argue that there is a contract in place when schools are paying for the Google Apps service and Chromebook hardware.

If you have to use the Google products in a school, and the school has a contract with Google, that seems like a utility and/or common carrier. The analogy that I use with my friends is "You have Verizon for your mobile phone, yeah? I have ATT. We can call/text each other, right? Of course - that's how phones work. What would you think if you could ONLY call Verizon customers, and if you wanted to call/text me, you had to get an ATT phone? And what about all those land lines, customer service lines, etc... how annoying would it be if everyone had to have the same phone company, and the companies kept coming and going in and out of vogue? All the older people user Company X, Millennials are all on Y, and the kids are all about Z...."

Most people think that's an awful, terrible world to imagine. That said, it reminds me a little of Neil Stephenson's "Snow Crash" ~ one review says "Snow Crash is a mind-altering romp through a future America so bizarre, so outrageous.... you'll recognize it immediately"

turk184onSep 22, 2017

Um, no. I rarely quit reading books, but I never got past the first couple chapters of Anathem and read about a third of Cryptonomicon. So over-wrought! Otoh, Snow Crash is a cyberpunk classic.

I want to like Stephenson, but Anathem and Cryptonomicon only seem to appeal to a very narrow range of readers whom I don't understand.

aluhutonDec 13, 2015

Yes, I fell for a urgent recommendation by a person like you ;)

I have no idea how you can cope with all that utter irrelevance in this. While reading I started thinking that Stephenson tried to create a "moment" by overstreching. A scenery. Something you see in those slow artistic movies for example. But then there is another problem. Stephenson is unable to describe the environment in which the scene plays. Instead he concentrates on completely irrelevant details in the current area. A good example for this was when the protagonist traveled a region where former cities were. It looked like that: "...traveling along those dead cities we've learned to distinguish the time period in which the cities have been build...". But he describes not a single one. You end up having absolutely no picture of the environment. He tells you that there are launch pads and anti-missile turrets but not how they look. Instead he drags you through several sentences regarding the steel rubble they get from the cities. Spoiler: it's rusty. Same poor writing goes for character development (main character is supposed to be clever according to the context but is plainly stupid and really slow...), basic aspects like the love story or the weird way he describes women.

I don't know. Maybe I'm just too demanding but I currently read through some of Alestair Raynolds works and it makes Stephenson look like a rich school boy whos private teacher was afraid to mark the basic mistakes for him.

I've read Snow Crash many years ago. When Neuromancer and the art of those times was still in my head. Fortunately because it was exactly the same thing. Please read Snow Crash again and try to focus on the world he un-describes. I had the feeling like Stephenson took it for granted that you've already read Gibson or Sterling and knew how the world is supposed too look like so he can concentrate on world details that are completely irrelevant for the story and make no sense without describing the place they stand in.

You see...I fell twice for Stephenson which was a mistake on my side so I'm pretty angry on myself and try do divert the fault to him...

qwertyuiop924onSep 7, 2016

...have you read Snow Crash? If not, go do that. Than you'll get it.

chuchurockaonMay 16, 2008

1. People's History of the United States: Highlights from the 20th century - Howard Zinn
2. Snow Crash - Neil Stephenson
3. jPod - Douglas Coupland
4. the world is flat 2.0

sbradenonAug 1, 2019

I read Snow Crash; will not click.

singlowonAug 25, 2014

My introduction to reading science fiction was the copy of Snow Crash that came in the box when I bought a copy of Specter VR.

TravisonJan 4, 2011

I second this one. It's more than just about code -- it's a multiple narrative that touches on 2 different WW2 stories, along with a modern tech narrative. Which all tie in together. It's awesome, but it's a bit overwhelming.

I'm surprised you didn't say Snow Crash. Same author (Neil Stephenson), and also about coders. Specifically, languages, viruses, and reality. It's also much, much more accessible. I usually recommend that people start with Snow Crash and move to Cryto, if they like Stephenson's stuff.

runevaultonJuly 6, 2017

...and now I feel an urge to read Snow Crash again.

andreskyttonJan 5, 2021

Have you read Snow crash?

risubramanianonJan 7, 2020

Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson

e12eonJuly 21, 2013

If you haven't read "Diamond Age" yet, I highly recommend it. I loved "Snow crash" too, but DA is arguably his best book. Let me know if you ever finish anything he wrote later than that, to be honest I think he is in dire need of a strict editor that cuts his books in at least half.

I see we disagree on "The Unberable Lightness of Being", but that is fine, I guess.

I think Murakami is at his best in "Norwegian Wood" and "South of the Border" -- in different ways. You might also enjoy "Chrome Yellow" by Huxley.

For something a bit different, try: "American Essays" edited by Shaw (http://www.amazon.com/American-Essays-Charles-B-Shaw/dp/B000...).

If you enjoyed the books on Steve Jobs, you might enjoy "The new new thing" by Lewis (on the founder of SGI and Netscape).

I don't know if you've read any William Gibson, if not, at least read "Burning Chrome" (and everything else he's ever written ;-).

Finally, you should read "The Code Book" by Singh.

BlahahonMay 25, 2013

The avatar idea has been a staple of sci-fi for a long time, at least since Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash (1992). Personally I don't find it creepy at all. Ever used SecondLife?

Nothing about the scenario in the article actually suggests a loss of free will - if anything it suggests a gain of super-free will in which people are more able to have their desires fulfilled by accentuating and enhancing what the real world can offer.

ender7onSep 19, 2011

It's easy to start filtering yourselves into the camps of "the rich are too rich, tax them!" or "the rich earned their money, you have no right to take it away!". Then you can yell at each other from across great echoing divide until the sun grows dark.

The sad fact is that America is no longer a country that makes things, and as a result we no longer find ourselves in a position to employ people in positions that are actually worth a damn. Or that pay a salary worth a damn.

We still make some things. Software. Circuit designs. Entertainment. Product design (to sell things to ourselves). Pharma. People who work in these areas are paid well.

Oh, and the financial industry. Which, despite demonstrating a wonderful ability to make itself mountains of cash, has failed to demonstrate how it benefits the rest of the country. (obviously, its ability to provide lines of credit is valuable, but we had that long before investment banking came to dominate the entire financial industry)

I remember reading Snow Crash for the first time and coming across this line:

  There's only four things we do better than anyone else: 
music
movies
microcode (software)
high-speed pizza delivery

and thinking "what an alien dystopia that future must be".

hkmurakamionApr 29, 2017

I read Snow Crash and only got a surface level read of it, but was recently talking to a friend who enlightened me on the near future social commentary it contains. The one I remember most is the proliferation of mega franchises, as well as "the library" corporation which we see in today's Internet data brokers.

Need to re read it.

bigger_cheeseonJan 14, 2019

Another of his books Snow Crash, which is kind of precursor to Diamond Age had some pretty interesting predictions.

I read somewhere stuff like Second Life, Google Earth etc were directly inspired by Snow Crash.

There's some other themes in Snow Crash we are just starting to see as well:

-Government difficulties with taxation of digital goods and currency

-Companies competing to attract drivers/messengers etc (basically the uber/gig ecconomy)

-For profit surveillance and commercialization of intelligence data

paultonJune 3, 2019

> When it gets down to it–we're talking trade balances here–once we've brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once things have evened out, they're making cars in Bolivia and microwaves in Tadzhikistan and selling them here–once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel–once the Invisible Hand has taken all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani bricklayer would consider to be prosperity–y'know what? There's only four things we do better than anyone else: music, movies, microcode (software), high-speed pizza delivery.

- Neal Stephenson, Snow Crash

DaOne256onApr 17, 2019

Neal Stephenson - Snow Crash

mdkessonOct 7, 2013

Man, don't let people discourage you.

I guess the thing that you should realize though is that this isn't a degree in computer programming, or IT - it's a more or less a mathematics degree. As the saying goes, "Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes."

If you want to get ready for serious computer science, I'd recommend a few things which are what I think I got out of my undergraduate degree:

1. A solid understanding of algorithms and data-structures. To this end, topcoder.com/tc is invaluable and some serious study will quickly bring you up to speed. CLRS (Introduction to Algorithms) is a great resource, as is train.usaco.org.

2. A basic understanding of theoretical computer science. To that end, I found this a really useful book: http://www.amazon.com/dp/0321455363

3. Basic understanding of networking and operating systems. Not sure the best route here, there must be online courses. Not too many great self-study books in this area, unfortunately. So find some online courses.

4. A decent math background: linear algebra, calculus, combinatorics, and probability. For self study:

    Calculus: Stewart's Calculus is great.

Linear Algebra: I've yet to meet a linear algebra text I liked, so not sure here.

Probability: A First Course in Probability is an outstanding textbook.

Other: Concrete Mathematics by Knuth is an incredible book, very VERY hard and took me a long time to get through, but packed with useful and interesting information. I'd recommend it after the rest of these.

5. Read Snow Crash and watch Hackers.

Also, keep writing lots of code. Daily practice is the secret to everything.

stephenpimentonSep 7, 2016

Author of the essay here.

I've found that Snow Crash is one of those books that pretty strongly divides readers. Some people are very fond of it; others bounce off of it, often commenting that something about it rubs them the wrong way. Not many readers are in the middle.

I'm definitely in the former camp, even though I can see the book's weaknesses from a writing perspective. In the essay, I wanted to express some thoughts on why the book's fans respond to it, to the point that it has been rather influential in the world beyond fiction.

lotsofmangosonSep 23, 2014

No, but you should read Snow Crash.

Everyone should read Snow Crash.

freehunteronMar 27, 2015

I've never read Ready Player One, and there's a reason for that: people compare it to Snow Crash and I found Snow Crash to be entirely insufferable. I cannot stand that book. The worst part is that the main character is named Hiro Protagonist. The book just tries to be too cool.

Maybe the problem is that it was written in 1992 and so much has been inspired by it that now the book seems tired and cliche. But if you're recommending it to a 14 year old, they're already going to be familiar with some of the works that have been inspired by Snow Crash, and they will likely find it as insufferable as well.

And isn't Ready Player One heavy into the 80's pop culture? A 14 year old was born in 2001... they don't know what the 80's means.

e12eonAug 8, 2012

If you enjoyed "Snow Crash" and "Diamond Age", I'd recommend "Islands in the Net" (if you can get hold of a copy) and "Holy Fire" by Bruce Sterling. Or for something newer, "the Zenith Angle" by same.

I've also enjoyed all of Willam Gibsons books, including the latest trilogy "Pattern Recognition", "Spook Country" and "Zero History".

If you bothered to read through "Cryptonomicon" you'll either love "the Code Book" by Simon Singh more than I did, or hate it :-)

Assuming you've picket through the classics shelf, you might have missed out on Samuel Delany - "The Einstein Intersection" might be a good one to try on for size -- although I actually found "Neveryóna" to be maybe his most interesting book (of the ones I've been able to get hold of) [edit: After "Dhalgren", that is. But I think "Dhalgren" is a bit like Joyce's "Ulysses" -- a classic I haven't gotten around to yet. I spent the better part of ten (10!) years reading through "Dhalgren", picking it up on odd holidays - never loosing touch with the intricate unreality within, readily satisfied after reading a few pages or a chapter -- like nibbling on a choice ham that didn't spoil. It's rather more complex than any of the other books I've listed here].

Also worth mentioning in the "might be overlooked" section is Jerry Pournelle's "Falkenberg's Legion" (republished as "the Prince").

I'm afraid I've been mostly digging through second hand books lately, so the only other semi-recent book I could recommend would be "Broken Angels" by Richard Morgan (technically it's number two in a trilogy -- but I find it stands better on its own).

no_protocolonJune 29, 2021

Read Snow Crash

paloaltokidonDec 21, 2017

Have you read Snow Crash?

planetguyonJune 15, 2012

I stand corrected on the latest one, which I haven't read. I've picked it up in the bookstore a few times but the combination of a thousand pages of thickness and a less-than--compelling blurb on the back (wasn't this a Michael Douglas movie?) have failed to convince me. Thanks for the anti-recommendation... a thousand-page book is a serious time commitment and there's a lot of other things I want to read.

To be honest Cryptonomicon is the only NS book which I really and wholeheartedly recommend. Diamond Age and Anathem are definitely interesting and I'm glad I read them but they have their flaws, Snow Crash comes across as juvenile, and the Baroque Cycle is approximately five hundred pages of a fantastic book bound at random with twelve hundred pages of boring.

RebelgeckoonApr 11, 2021

Neuromancer is probably the typical example but I personally didn't love it.

I'd recommend Altered Carbon and it's sequels. There's also a Netflix adaption with a solid first season (although s2 went a bit off the rails)

A personal favorite of mine is Snow Crash. It's a very self aware cyberpunk novel (could maybe even be considered a parody, at least in part). If you're not familiar with Stephenson's writing style, be aware that you won't miss too much if you skip the 10 page infodump on Sumerian grammar that pops up in the muddle of the book.

kstrauseronJuly 29, 2021

I don't own a VR set, so this is talking about ideas rather than any specific implementation.

Every time I've heard someone mention having a VR setup, in a social/non-work setting, someone has asked them if they've checked out porn on it. In fairness, we've all read Snow Crash etc. and wondered how close we're getting to that stuff in the real world. Now, the big question: do you want Facebook to have a record of porn you've viewed, even if it was for 5 minutes out of curiosity? Can you imagine the "interesting" ads you might start getting if you did that?

I consider this similar to "why do you care if you're being watched if you have nothing to hide?". I'm not doing anything illegal there, but I don't want a camera in my bathroom. Similarly, even if I'm not doing anything illegal online, darned if I want Facebook to have a record of everything I do.

nknighthbonMar 31, 2014

The letters "VR" aren't even relevant to a belief that two-way 3D video chat is practical today, and will become more practical in the future.

You've bound yourself by artificial limitations on your thought process. Please do not act as if people who do not share those boundaries must be idiots.

Edit: By the way, since you brought it up, I've never read Snow Crash. I really don't know anything about it other than a brief synopsis I read at some point years ago. It's unwise to assume anything about my opinions comes from pop culture, as I'm largely disconnected from it.

jvrossbonAug 7, 2016

Snow Crash by Neil Stephenson

akkartikonFeb 16, 2015

When I read your comment I'm strongly reminded of myself ten years ago. I held almost exactly the same view on hard scifi, and was similarly obsessed with Arthur C Clarke. But I've since loosened my definition of scifi for a couple of reasons:

a) I now think of scifi as any work intended to do more than tell a story or explore a world. Focussing on just hard scifi causes great works of social and sociology fiction like The Dispossessed to be left without a clear pigeonhole. Which is a great pity, IMO.

Perhaps the biggest chunk that gets miscategorized is cyberpunk; works like Snow Crash and Hardwired are clearly about more than whether the ending is happy or sad, or whether the hero gets the girl. Doesn't seem right to categorize them as fantasy. Better to narrow Arthur C Clarke into the sub-category of hard scifi. Loosening my uptight definition caused me to better appreciate Snow Crash in particular on a second reading a decade later. It's aged wonderfully.

You could even imagine a book with fantasy 'props' that feels scifi-like. I haven't seen it yet, but I have no doubt it can be done. (Any recommendations from others?)

b) Not even everything Arthur C Clarke wrote was hard. Rama series, c'mon! Kim Stanley Robinson is a great author, but I fail to see how he's 'more hard' than Asimov or Heinlein. Somebody described the Red Mars series to me as a reality show with dune buggies, and that seems about right. You certainly couldn't call it 'more hard' than Anathem.

Anyways, for hard scifi readers the top author today is probably Greg Egan. That I think everybody can agree on. I have other recommendations elsewhere on this thread.

terminallyunixonMar 28, 2017

This reminds me of a quote from Neal Stephenson's epic Snow Crash novel:

“When it gets down to it — talking trade balances here — once we've brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once things have evened out, they're making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in Tadzhikistan and selling them here — once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel — once the Invisible Hand has taken away all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity — y'know what? There's only four things we do better than anyone else:
music
movies
microcode (software)
high-speed pizza delivery”
― Neal Stephenson, Snow Crash

aaron695onOct 19, 2020

Why next year and not last year?

There certainly is a problem you'll see on HN because they think every company is out to get them because they read Snow Crash.

But Cambridge Analytica was not real for instance, it was just marketing fooling people. Palantir's biggest cheerleaders are the paranoid.

Marketers have done it for 100 years. So, yes it's all fake, you're hiring someone to fool people, see the problem, but I'm not sure it's a bubble if it never pops.

angersockonApr 20, 2015

Snow Crash was originally meant to be a graphic novel--with some clever screenwriting, it could easily be stretched out to 12-13 episodes (or at least a miniseries).

Anything in the Slammerverse could be made into a serial form, again with a little work to preserve continuity. It's already got a lot of material in the anthologies, so it shouldn't be too hard. Hell, if you could get Drake to revisit the Lacy and His Friends universe, it would be rather timely.

A series based on Niven's Gil the Arm protagonist would be fun for a series or two--the writing chops required could be found in anybody with experience writing crime dramas or who-dun-its, with a bit of extra worldbuilding for organlegging and telekinesis.

Maybe something based on The Stainless Steel Rat? Harrison is dead and buried (sadly!) so he wouldn't be too offended.

Honestly, the problem with a lot of science-fiction books is that, once the core ideas are explored and the conflict resolved, it's best to kind of move on.

EDIT:

Actually, a post-apocalyptic series based on Lucifer's Hammer or War Day would be great. Jericho actually had its moments, but went too soon.

Comedy option for HBO: The Stone Dogs.

Even better option: a port of Turtledove's World War alternate history.

jillesvangurponSep 26, 2019

That book also featured crypto-currencies which is of course another thing Facebook is dabbling with. And it had a plot that featured vastly diminished US government marginalized by commercial burbclaves and other corporate entities, which seems to be exactly why governments are anxious to block Libra and worried about companies like FB having valuations exceeding the GDP of most countries.

I recently re-read Snow Crash. I love that book. A lot of that stuff looks a lot less like science fiction these days.

jfoutzonJune 15, 2012

Snow crash is a terrible book. It is, imho, a fantastic collection of vignettes with the same characters that are vaguely related. Some of them are simple decapitation scenes featuring beer and vr googles, while others are deeper questions about the value of pay toilets.

snow crash was impressive, to me, because of the sheer quantity of new concepts, tightly integrated. Stephenson created a plausible future that dealt with what people would deal with in all conceptual scales, from highfalutin cultural organization of government and religion all the way down to teenagers interests in food and clothing. I feel, he did a pretty great job of avoiding the mundane that's pretty much the same as today, while highlighting stuff that's different, like skate wheels.

Snowcrash is a cartoon, it is a caricature of a future with new stuff. It's not a good book, not like coherent like Vonnegut, or even Stephenson's Cryptonomicon, but it is indeed a window to the future. Neromancer was written on a typewriter, and snowcrash was written in flatland.

harshrealityonFeb 9, 2014

I agree, and you made elsewhere the good point that Dune has one foot in the fantasy realm, without much hard science fiction backing it up.

The Hyperion cantos (Simmons) is sadly not taken seriously by very many authors of top-100 lists. It's usually Dune or Stranger in a Strange Land or Ender's Game or Forever War. And heaven forbid they include Neuromancer or Snow Crash or Altered Carbon, or an eco-scifi book like Stand on Zanzibar or Zodiac.

Dune could be a nod to the classic science fiction aficionados who don't care for any of the newer stuff, who love Asimov, Niven, Clarke, PKD, Bester. Is Heinlein too politically charged, perhaps?

schackbrianonAug 2, 2013

You suggest that the modern vilification of hackers (such as Bradley Manning) is analogous to the medieval burning of witches. I assert that hackers and witches also have something else in common.

The spells that witches cast are analogous to the code that hackers develop. They are both writing in esoteric languages that can create things and cause actions. Witches' power is magical, but hackers' power is virtual. Neal Stephenson uses the Sumerian word namshub to describe this idea in his novel Snow Crash.

aaronbrethorstonJune 19, 2015

    SP: Two-thirds of the way into your novel,
Seveneves – in fact, on page 569 – you do
something kind of crazy. The story suddenly
skips ahead 5,000 years. What’s the idea here?

It took me maybe a week to read the first 2/3's of the book, and about three weeks to read the last 1/3. In many ways, these two parts feel like completely different books, one of which is significantly better than the other.

Also, I was occasionally distracted at the beginning when snippets of dialog from Anathem were reused in the form of exposition in Seveneves.

But, that said, I think the book is worth reading, especially the first 2/3's.

My personal, quick, rough ranking of Stephenson's bibliography:

    * Anathem
* Snow Crash
* The Diamond Age
* Seveneves
* Cryptonomicon
* The Baroque Cycle
* Zodiac
* Reamde
* The Interface
* The Big U


Haven't Read

    * The Cobweb
* The Mongoliad

planetguyonJune 15, 2012

Snow Crash is an interesting book, but a deeply flawed one. Stephenson's later books are much better (though after Diamond Age they become too long to film anyway).

It is a bit of a dumb action movie, in many ways. A guy with a sword takes on an entire flotilla, if I recall correctly. The coolest moment in the entire book involves somebody saying "I'm sure they'll listen to reason" and then pulling out an enormous gun labelled "REASON". So if the movie turns out to be full of dumb action sequences it'll only be consistent with the book.

Another major flaw of the book, as written, is that it has chapters upon chapters of exposition which are basically dialogue scenes between Hiro and the librarian program. Most of the actual overly complicated plot stuff winds up getting explained in these scenes.

The third problem with the book is a rather dated view of the future... or by now a rather dated view of the immediate past. Both Hiro and the other dude are reasonably young guys whose fathers fought in World War 2, which puts a fairly stringent limit on how late you can possibly set it (unless you play around with which war it was; I think the fact it was WW2 was fairly vital to the backstory though).

Anyway, I'm not against a Snow Crash movie at all, I'm just pointing out that it needs some serious work to be adapted, and that may wind up throwing out some of the bits that many people like best about it.

tripngrooveonFeb 2, 2011

Initially, I also thought the spiders were a bit too "human"... however, in thinking about the way Vinge portrays them, it was important for me to realize there's a point later in the story where he reveals that the focused translators are heavily anthropomorphizing everything they relate to the rest of the crew. I think this is a really strong suggestion that everything told from the point-of-view of the spiders is passing through the same narrator. There's a point where he specifically mentions that the translators seem to know about events and conversations they shouldn't, and we can infer this is because they've been covertly communicating with the Underhill for a long time and he's given them the back-story.

Also important, I think, is that a huge contributing factor to events and technologies developing similarly to those of human civilization, is that the humans were actively manipulating information and events on the planet from the moment they arrived.

I agree with you about Stephenson being fantastic; his books make you think. While I've enjoyed what I've read from Vinge, in some sense it feels much closer to the fantasy genre.

I'm curious as to what folks here thought of The Baroque Cycle. I loved Snow Crash, Diamond Age, and Anathem... but Quicksilver seemed to drag, and I didn't have the heart to pick up the next one in the series.

wwortizonDec 27, 2010

Snow Crash and The Diamond Age are good books, especially for just starting to read again.

Ubik is my favorite PKD book followed closely by Electric Sheep.

The His Dark Materials isn't really sci-fi so much as fantasy but it is quite a good read (though if you didn't have a kindle it might be embarrassing buying them from the young adult section, they are quite adult though).

I think a huge thing missing from your list is the Foundation series from Asimov (I recommend going in order of publishing, start with Foundation move onto Foundation and Empire then Second Foundation and more if you are into it).

My 2 cents.

mhdonDec 27, 2010

Snow Crash is great. Generally I'd recommend some "classics", just to see who treaded some ground first, i.e. who gets copied by everyone.

Isaac Asimov - Foundation (and the rest of the trilogy)

Robert A. Heinlein - Stranger in a Strange Land / Starship Troopers / The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

Alfred Bester - The Demolished Man / The Stars My Destination

Jack Vance - The Dying Earth

Philip K. Dick - Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep / The Man in the High Castle

Larry Niven - Ringworld

etc. etc.

A list of Hugo Award winners[1] might come in helpful.

Another advantage of having read "the greats" is that if some critic says that new author X writes "in the style of Y" you have a slightly better idea if you might like it.

Tastes vary, of course. Personally I never got what's supposed to be so great about Ender's Game. Teen Mary Sue geek power fantasy with questionable morals. Then again, lots of people said similar things about Heinlein…

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Award_for_Best_Novel

fouconNov 6, 2018

That's interesting about aphantasia. I knew some people have incredible visualization ability far past the normal amount, but I never knew that some people have none at all.

I think my visualization ability is about average, although I do very well with visual thinking. Not sure what the correlation is there.

I've been a prolific reader since about 11 years old. I would say that in general, I don't try to visualize what the author writes. Whenever the author spends a lot of time going into setting up the environment with lots of visual details, I only lightly skim that. I don't bother trying to visualize exactly what the author is trying to convey.

So sometimes it does lead to a little bit of confusion later on in the story if something I read doesn't match up with my made up visualization, but generally I might only get a blip of confusion a few times during a book, it doesn't really amount to much or affect my enjoyment.

I'm not sure how much time Neal Stephenson spends on visual details in Snow Crash, but I remember the first 200 pages of Anathem being a chore to get through because of the incredible amount of time he spent on setting up the environment. Because I largely skipped the visual details in Anathem, there were parts later on in the story that were confusing due to the fact I didn't have a grasp on the layout of the monastery and such. Assuming he didn't make mistakes at any point.

mikecaneonJune 3, 2011

>>>You know, I can see real utility in a simple site that lets you upload data garnered from hacking escapades online to be easily searchable and presentable to the general public.

Did you ever read Stephenson's Snow Crash? You just described what the CIA becomes in that novel: crowd-sourced intel uploaded to a central site.

kernelbandwidthonJan 17, 2018

Missing Stephenson's The Diamond Age was a bit of an oversight as well, considering that Snow Crash is one of the canonical Cyberpunk novels, while The Diamond Age is (IMO) a defining Post-Cyberpunk novel. The Diamond Age opens with a Cyberpunk fake protagonist written with every Cyberpunk trope in mind, and then the fake protagonist is killed off before the end of the Prologue and the real protagonist, the slain punk's baby daughter, is revealed. Stephenson's intent is clear: "This is not a cyberpunk novel."

I'd also argue that Cyberpunk does not mean "everything is terrible", nor does Post-Cyberpunk have a softer and lighter view where "not everything is terrible." Rather, the difference is whether social control is rooted in 1984 or Brave New World.

From this point of view, Ghost in the Shell and Minority Report are still Cyberpunk (edit: settings); the viewer is just seeing things from a point of view other than the completely marginalized. Shadowrun is a Cyberpunk setting whether you work for a corporate power or in the streets.

NKosmatosonSep 29, 2020

Well depends on what you consider classics :-)
Go to a second hand shop, bookstore where they sell used books and get whatever you like.
Here is a small list that IMHO would appeal to many HN readers:
- Isaac Asimov (foundation trilogy, robot series, short stories compilations)
- William Gibson (nauromancer, bridge trilogy)
- Douglas Adams (The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy)
- Alfred Bester (The Demolished Man, The Stars My Destination)
- Neal Stephenson (Snow Crash, Cryptonomicon)
- Orson Scott Card (Ender’s game, Speaker for the Dead)
- Fyodor Dostoevsky (Crime and punishment, the idiot, notes from the underground and many more)
- Plato (apology, the republic)
- Bible, Torah, Quran and any other sacred text
- Mythology (Greek, Indian, Norse and o5hers)
And a last one, completely unrelated...
- Clive Barker (Hellraiser series, books of blood)

rkroondotnetonFeb 10, 2015

The Baroque Cycle is an undertaking, since my first read of it I have moved on to the audio books, subway listening being easier than subway reading.

Cryptonomicon I am at about 15 reads (including audio book listens a few more), and maybe a handful for Snow Crash, Anathem and Reamde.

My book of choice for re-reading is Not a Penny More, Not a Penny Less, by Jeffrey Archer. I must be at 50 re-reads of that now, and I own two first editions. Strange what catches your mind!

adamfeldmanonFeb 26, 2013

That is the basis of my favorite book, Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson.

From Wikipedia: The book presents the Sumerian language as the firmware programming language for the brainstem, which is supposedly functioning as the BIOS for the human brain. According to characters in the book, the goddess Asherah is the personification of a linguistic virus, similar to a computer virus. The god Enki created a counter-program which he called a nam-shub that caused all of humanity to speak different languages as a protection against Asherah (a re-interpretation of the ancient Near Eastern story of the Tower of Babel).

sharcereronJuly 9, 2018

Well, i haven't read Snow Crash. I read about it on wiki and decided to skip it. But i admit, while I was reading i got bored in between because pace had slowed down and then I skipped a few dozen pages , read a few lines and skipped way more and read more because wanted to know about the end as I was becoming really impatient. Anyways after reaching the end, i felt guilty that I skipped through a lot. A few days later I started reading again from the point I began skipping and in the later parts , i got to know that I had misunderstood some parts while skipping, so it turned out to be a blessing in disguise. Also, some space stuff would have been better explained with a rough diagram.
I guess, I got bored in between because I was reading a novel after a really long time. also, I got to know about Neal and this novel via Bill Gates' summer reading list a few years ago.

soylentcolaonMay 18, 2016

Snow Crash and Diamond Age were my introduction to Stephenson in the late 90's. So far, of the ones I've read they are probably the most accessible and, as you mention, fun.

Even though it's not essential in any way to read them in that order, The Diamond age is hinted to take place later on in the same world as Snow Crash so if you've got no preference for which order to read them, you might as well go that route. There a couple of winks to Snow Crash readers in The Diamond Age.

jmdukeonJune 15, 2012

"Snow Crash is definitely action, and definitely dated (it's more alternate present than near future at this point), but if it's dumb I would sure like to see smart."

I enjoyed reading Snow Crash, but I have to agree with the other posters -- it's a good story, not a great book. The prose is ...weak, to say the least, and it felt like science fiction for the sake of science fiction -- which is not to say that's bad in of itself, but it lacks the thrust and weight of Vonnegut or Pynchon (both of whom I recommend reading if you want to see 'smart').

jqmonSep 29, 2015

I bought and read Snow Crash based on an earlier recommendation from HN. Just to give an alternate opinion, so no one wastes (my opinion) money like I did... I thought the book was absolutely horrible. I like fantasy, I like alternate reality, I like novel concepts... but the parts have to match up and make coherent sense. Snow Crash didn't. At all. The story was contrived, the characters unrealistic, the whole thing didn't really fit together in a way that made sense to the point it ruined it. Sorry for the negativity... but I didn't like the book at all.

nabla9onSep 2, 2018

>it really looked like the visions of virtual worlds that cyberpunk fiction loved might show up in your Netscape browser.

It was exactly that.

I participated on one SGI demo around 1995. It included tehnology demo and the grand vision from some guy I don't remember.

They had few the these bad boys (bigger refrigerator sized models) and very fast internet running Netscape browser. They wanted us to start to develope for this to this new thing called Java that would allow code run everywhere.

They demoed what they thought internet would look like after 3-5 years:

* 3d browsers with VRML. HTML is replaced with 3d virtual rooms with 3d surround audio.

* you can attach pieces of Java code to the VRML and freely interact with objects

* people would buy stuff in the internet using micropayments possibly using new fancy new digital currencies like DigiCash (this was still hand waving). There was also this thing called E-gold few years later.

* the demo included virtual kitchen design app, virtual rooms with water fountains and java controlled robots, and fish that responded to their environment.

It was all mindblowing technologically, but none of the ideas were new to me because I had been reading Snow Crash (1992) and others. Jaron Lanier and VPL Research were also known to work with these things.

In fact, it looks like we are repeatedly trying to bring the same vision alive. Every wave of attempts is getting us little bit closer but always falling short little bit.

In the current wave Nvidia has replaced Silicon Graphics and there are new technologies doing the same things in VR and AR. Now we have cryptocurrencies, javascript, Wasm, WebGL, mobile GPU's, 5G. Most of the current bleeding edge will crash when the next recession hits around 2020 or so and some of it will survive. I'm looking forward to the next generation of technology emerging around 2025 ...

FreebootsonOct 13, 2013

Whose read Snow Crash?

criddellonFeb 13, 2019

Now that you mention it, when I was reading Snow Crash I started skipping all the parts about ancient Sumerian language. All that he needed to do was establish that it worked as some kind of low-level system of the brain that could be tinkered with. Instead it felt like he spent 4 months researching ancient Sumer and by God he was going to not let that work go to waste.

pragmaticonSep 9, 2011

Neal Stephenson really matures between Snow Crash and Diamond Age. I read snow crash after some of his later stuff and it's almost hard to believe it's the same author.

Snow Crash and Cryptonomicon are great books but each has their own style and you would think it was a different author if you didn't know better.

That's why I like Stephenson so much. He takes a topic and researches it so much that he brings it to life.

Whether he's writing for Wired about expats in South East Asia (which dove tails nicely with Cryptonomicon) or extra dimensional aliens in Anathem, he makes the world come alive and the technology and methodologies clear.

He also makes me laugh out loud. Very few books have done that.

BlackthornonOct 26, 2014

It might not age well but that has less to do with his lack of technical knowledge and more to do with the genre of cyberpunk as a whole. Compare Snow Crash, another foundational cyberpunk work which was written by someone who did have a lot of technical knowledge -- you read it today and it will feel a little ridiculous.

Cyberpunk is essentially retro-futurism now. That's an inherent problem in something that extrapolates to the very near future. I think the only thing I've seen that comes close and ages well is Serial Experiments Lain, and that's more of a post-cyberpunk work.

a3nonJune 19, 2013

Coincidentally, I'm re-reading Snow Crash, read it first in the nineties.

When I first read it I felt a little like a snickering boy looking up dirty words in the dictionary, reading about failed institutions and government military and intelligence services as spun off corporations.

Now if you skim off the entertaining over-the-topness from the book, you have today. Booz Hamilton anyone? That program's never going away, there's too many jobs, billions, and lobbying money at stake.

gibspauldingonDec 13, 2018

If you enjoyed Snow Crash, I would definitely encourage you to look into Stephenson's other books if you haven't already.
REAMDE is very good and is also partially set in VR.
Anathem is an interesting exploration of the distant future and alternate universes.
Cryptonomicon has so much going on it's hard to know where to start, but it's a lot of fun.

I was also a big fan of Stranger in a Strange Land! I'll have to check out Scythe and Thunderhead.

fuzzmeisteronJune 10, 2011

Snow Crash, Neal Stephenson.

techpeaceonSep 22, 2014

A minor amount of Snow Crash (the book in which the term is coined) is dedicated to descriptions of the team that built the Metaverse "protocol." It actually was software purpose-built to drive this kind of distributed VR experience, rather than a simple visualization of the Internet as it existed.

William Gibson's "Matrix" from Neuromancer was more of a visualization of data as it flew about a virtual world, doing whatever it is data does when you watch it. Certain servers are protected by layers of "ice," which you have to "drill" through in order to gain access, etc.

There are a few working groups that appear to also still be working on standards for the Metaverse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaverse

antiheroonJuly 26, 2012

Anyone read Snow Crash?

alanfalcononJune 9, 2020

I find myself re-listening to large portions of my audible library fairly often. I pick up so much more on additional read/listen-throughs.

I listen to or read Snow Crash at least once a year. I just enjoy most everything about it. Anathem required a couple listens, and a third listen was just for comfort food.

The Altered Carbon trilogy has depth and sublime world-building that I have now enjoyed at least a half dozen times.

I second mentions of Dirk Gently’s Holistic Detective Agency (and will mention The Long, Dark Tea Time of the Soul as well).

Ender’s Game is also comfort food for me.

Breaking from the speculative fiction reco’s above...
The Power of Vulnerability (Brené Brown) is more lecture series than audiobook, but as for non fiction I’ve recently given multiple listens to, that tops the list.

I borrowed “Landline” from the local library, read it twice and then bought it so I could continue to read it when I want to. I think I was in just the right age group and life situation for this novel to hit home for me. Your mileage may vary, but IMO read it without knowing anything about it in advance if you’re going to read it. That means don’t read the back cover etc.

(Blind borrowing of books from the library is fun and can be eye opening, try it sometime! Most places, you can borrow eBooks and even digital audiobooks without even leaving your home as long as you have a library card.)

mark_l_watsononJuly 31, 2021

I like the reference to the book Snow Crash in which a metaverse environment gave people relief from a shitty world. This may be prescient: I think that the human race will servive the next 100 years (and if we don’t, I take comfort in believing that the Universe is teaming with life), but no-travel low-energy use ways to work and play with even more entertainment alternatives may be a necessity.

I worked on VR projects for SAIC and Disney about 25 years ago, and as much as I criticize Facebook over privacy issues, I like Mark Z’s vision here, in addition to Microsoft’s vision of shared virtual workspaces and AR augmentation. Being an Apple fanboy, I also anticipate their future products and systems in this space.

I have been joking/teasing family and friends for many years that governments would fade to black and corporations would rule all. I am 70 and retired so it feels like being naked no longer being associated with a large corporation (I may un-retire). I am channeling William Gibson here, but affiliations to corporations may become the new citizenship. Entrepreneurs will exist to service corporations with new tech and ideas but with little chance of forming mega-corporations themselves.

__jalonApr 24, 2018

I actually liked it less than others.

Snow Crash, despite being a train-wreck in terms of narrative cohesion, plotting, and basically every other measure of fiction as a craft, is just about perfect mind-candy. I reread it about two years ago, and it was almost as good as the first time.

Later work like Anathem, I think, starts showing him as a mature author[1], finally paying as much attention to the craft of writing as the ideas.

Diamond Age... I dunno. Certainly had its moments, and the exploration of 90s-era anarcho-capitalist crypto-anarchy themes was solid, but it really didn't grab me that much. The writing was less uneven than Snow Crash, but a lot of the crazy brilliance was missing.

[1] Still flunking Fictional Narrative Endings 101, but apparently that's intentional.

hugonJan 2, 2020

Books I like that contain things that are kinda computer-sciency:

Permutation City, by Greg Egan -- a bit of a mind-uploady brain-simluation story. Fairly philosophical, but not impenetrable.

Accelerando, by Charles Stross -- Focused on the technical singularity brought about by increasing computing power. Somewhat cheeky, a little frenetic.

Three Body Problem, by Liu Cixin -- Algorithms and game theory plots regarding solving a civilsation-destroying puzzle.

Diaspora, by Greg Egan -- Post-trans-humanist shenanigans.

Other things of note:
Neal Stephenson writes a lot of cyberpunk computer-adjacent fiction. Snow Crash, Diamond Age, and Cryptonomicon all come to mind. The Baroque Cycle is a fiction series about the beginnings of computation and cryptography. He does have a propensity to navel-gaze though.

Vernor Vinge was a computer science professor. Rainbow's End and The Peace War are worth reading. Anything else he writes is worth reading too, actually.

Anything else by Stross, not just Accelerando, will have a bit of a tech bent to it, but is often not very serious and a bit handwavey.

The Long Way To A Small Angry Planet has an AI character with a backstory that forms a significant chunk of the book, but isn't super computer-sciencey.

paulgerhardtonJuly 2, 2013

I have never read any other fanfiction but I found this series a good primer on modern logic and fun idle reading.

Unfortunately, it has a few cringeworthy moments and tropes[1]. It is definitely precocious at parts and not hard to draw the parallels with the whole Übermensch/Singularity thing (though to my understanding, the author has distanced himself from the organization and is currently at MIRI).

My chief criticism would be that it is overly bashful of the original Harry Potter story logic but lacks a tight plot through the second half. (Admittedly something very difficult to do with serialized fiction.) Up until chapter 87 I got the feel the story went off the rails, but the last few updates have been very interesting (no spoilers.)

If you enjoyed Snow Crash and do not mind fantasy, you would probably be into this. Don't take it too seriously and keep in mind it is about 1000 pages now.

[1] In particular: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue / http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MartyStu

wrinkl3onSep 21, 2017

Anathem is probably Stephenson's best novel, and I say that as a huge fan of Cryptonomicon and Snow Crash.
I've actually found his last few novels lacking, still struggling to finish The Rise and Fall of D.O.D.O. and REAMDE. I do wish he'd stop trying to reverse-engineer RPG settings and got back to his post-cyberpunk roots.

ChuckMcMonMay 1, 2011

I agree with other commentators that given their initial raise, the company has a number of 'chances' to find the right mix which connects with their user base.

That being said, back when everyone was reading "Snow Crash" and trying to be the guy/gal who created the metaverse, there was some good research into just what sort of 'group event' you could reasonably hold in a network space. (sadly they don't pop up easily on citeseer but they were in the late 90's early 00's about network group meeting events and the people congregating via digital networks).

The bottom line of the research was that it was really hard to build a workable mesh network protocol (basically which provided any to any connectivity / traffic amongst a modest sized group) in the presence of any traffic loss whatsoever.

One of the outcomes of that research was what most people think of as CDNs which push audio/video content amongst a number of servers and try to distribute the load of "Large" events. A more or less practical example was the 40 user 'raid' that the MMORPG World of Warcraft started with, provided co-ordinated events amongst 40 individual users located across the globe. It had a hard time pulling it off but was successful. 100 or 200 users in the same 'area' often killed the servers.

Color is shooting for 10's of thousands of people in the same space. This is P2P "gone wild" and not a solved problem by any means.

So kudos for failing fast, now to see what happens next.

EvgenyonDec 28, 2013

It's hard to choose a single book, as I've read (or listened to) a number of books this year.

I'll choose Daniel Kahneman - Thinking, Fast and Slow (http://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman-ebo...).

The way it changed my life was to make me actually think more about the way my mind operates, the decisions I make and the way these decisions affect my life. As a consequence, there were a few books I read later that were loosely related to this one in the way that they all refer to the way people think.

Barry Schwartz - The Paradox of Choice

Steven Pinker - How the Mind Works

Nassim Taleb - The Black Swan; and Fooled by Randomness

Leonard Mlodinov - The Drunkard's Walk (quite similar to Fooled by Randomness)

Carol Dweck - Mindset: The New Psychology of Success

Neil Postman / Andrew Postman - Amusing Ourselves to Death

Rolf Dobelli - The Art of Thinking Clearly (just started)

On my reading list now:

Quiet by Susan Cain - mentioned already

The Better Angels of Our Nature - Steven Pinker

Jared Diamond - Guns, Germs and Steel

Neal Stephenson - Snow Crash

Jared Diamond - The World Until Yesterday

Also, did not quite change my life, but very recommended:

Neal Stephenson - Anathem.

You may have to struggle through the beginning, but as soon as I understood the way the world he devised operates, I was thrilled completely.

AJ007onMar 19, 2019

Science fiction seems to resonate strongest when it introduces new ideas which are reachable. Neal Stephenson’s Snow Crash seems to be particularly influencial. Sticking some plot line in the future isn’t enough.

I miss those moments I had when I was younger, reading Neuromancer, Snow Crash, and the Diamond Age for the very first time. Certainly they all played a driving role in orienting me toward what I ended up spending my life doing. The stories and the characters mattered, but the technology drowned it out.

mootothemaxonFeb 4, 2013

Are we (developers) the douchey 80s guy of the 21st century?

To paraphrase Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash, one problem is guys believing that they're too smart to be sexist.

I also believe that a lot of people involved can't handle the idea that they're being bullies, and so further attempt to rationalise their actions with terrible analogies and arguments that boil down to "I'm a geek - I'm incapable of oppressing someone!"

teddyhonMay 11, 2018

From Snow Crash (Neal Stephenson, 1992):

“My question is, you are covered from head to toe in protective padding. So why don’t you wear a helmet?”

“The suit’s got a cervical airbag that blows up when you fall off the board, so you can bounce on your head. Besides, helmets feel weird. They say it doesn’t affect your hearing, but it does.”

“You use your hearing quite a bit in your line of work?”

“Definitely, yeah.”

Uncle Enzo is nodding. “That’s what I suspected. We felt the same way, the boys in my unit in Vietnam.”

[…]

“Our job was to go through the jungle making trouble for some slippery gentlemen carrying guns bigger than they were. Stealthy guys. And we depended on our hearing, too—just like you do. And you know what? We never wore helmets.”

“Same reason?”

“Exactly. Even though they didn’t cover the ears, really, they did something to your sense of hearing. I still think I owe my life to going bareheaded.”

ominousonMay 26, 2015

eerie. Reminds me of Snow Crash and its gargoyles, and the information market [0] in the book:

Gargoyles are no fun to talk to. They never finish a sentence. They are adrift in a laser-drawn world, scanning retinas in all directions, doing background checks on everyone within a thousand yards, seeing everything in visual light, infrared, millimeter-wave radar, and ultrasound all at once. You think they’re talking to you, but they’re actually poring over the credit record of some stranger on the other side of the room, or identifying the make and model of airplanes flying overhead. For all he knows, Lagos is standing there measuring the length of Hiro’s cock through his trousers while they pretend to make conversation.

edit: saw this [1] comment

[0] http://everything2.com/title/Central+Intelligence+Corporatio...

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9603605

Wingman4l7onAug 16, 2012

"In his 1992 book Snow Crash, Neal Stephenson described a protective airbag technology for bikers and skateboarders."

Below quote courtesy http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=1824 :

"At the same time, she jerks the manual release on her cervical collar and goes into full Michelin Man mode as tiny gas cartridges detonate in several strategic locations around her bod. The biggest one goes off like an M-80 at the nape of her neck, unfurling the coverall's collar into a cylindrical gasbag that shoots straight up and encases her entire head. Other airbags go off around her torso and pelvis, paying lots of attention to that spinal column."

sid6376onSep 9, 2011

While I am a voracious reader, I have just started reading sci-fi. (Just finished dune, Starting with stranger in a strange land).
Just in case anyone's interested, here's a list of the books mentioned in the article and some famous hackers and entrepreneurs who like the books:

Snow Crash - Sergey Brin

Dune - Michael Arrington

Stranger in a strange land -Michael Arrington ,Linus Torvalds

Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy - Michael Arrington

Ender's Game- Mark Zuckerberg

Anathem - Michael Arrington

Source: my hobby site http://vipreads.com

Links to individual people:

http://vipreads.com/sergey-brin

http://vipreads.com/linus-torvalds

http://vipreads.com/mark-zuckerberg

http://vipreads.com/michael-arrington

AJ007onSep 22, 2014

Stroll through a few blocks of midtown Manhattan and you'll end up on hundreds of security cameras and in the backgrounds of a handful of tourists photos. Add a few more years and your image and gait will be continuously recorded by a swarm of 3D camera phones, self driving vehicles, and police drones. Authentication of a crime may require not one but a diverse set of recordings from multiple entities. Validating that the person you are talking to on Skype is indeed your mom may require a cryptographic key exchange (and a damn good reason it won't be Skype but a tool that can be verified by third parties.)

For those of us who grew up reading Neuromancer, Snow Crash, and other cyberpunk yarns: that is today, we are living in that world at this moment.

mindcrimeonMay 29, 2017

Gosh, there's so many. But these come to mind:

1. Neuromancer - William Gibson

2. Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson

3. Hackers - Heroes of the Computer Revolution - Steven Levy

4. How to Measure Anything - Douglas Hubbard

5. Godel, Escher, Bach - Douglas Hofstadter

6. The Pragmatic Programmer - Andy Hunt and Dave Thomas

7. The Soul of a New Machine - Tracy Kidder

8. Code - Charles Petzold

9. The Shockwave Rider - John Brunner

10. Ambient Findability: What We Find Changes Who We Become
Book
- Peter Morville

11. Don't Make Me Think - Steve Krug

12. The Design of Everyday Things - Donald A. Norman

13. The Mythical Man-Month: Essays on Software Engineering - Fred Brooks

14. Decline and Fall of the American Programmer - Ed Yourdon

15. Cube Farm - Bill Blunden

16. The Philip K. Dick Reader

17. The Cuckoo's Egg - Clifford Stoll

18. The Prince - Niccolò Machiavelli

19. The 48 Laws of Power - Robert Greene

20. The Atrocity Archives - Charles Stross

21. Business @ the Speed of Thought: Using a Digital Nervous System - Bill Gates

klezonJuly 11, 2016

Not in order

1 - Snow Crash (Neal Stephenson)

2 - The Trial (Franz Kafka)

3 - Beyond the door (Philip K Dick - short story)

4 - The eyes have it (Philip K Dick - short story)

5 - Seven brief lessons on Physics (Carlo Rovelli)

6 - I have no mouth, and I must scream (Herlan Ellison - short story)

7 - The art of simplicity (Dominique Loreau)

8 - On anarchism (Noam Chomsky)

9 - The difference engine (William Gibson, Bruce Sterling)

10 - Utopia (Thomas More)

11 - Sophie's world (Jostein Gaarder)

12 - Rete padrona (Federico Rampini - essays about the 'dark side' of the corporate web)

13 - The art of discarding (Nagisa Tatsumi)

14 - Symposium (Plato)

And a couple of very short philosophy booklets by Zizek (about the Matrix) and Baudrillard (about 'cyberphilosophy')

jholmanonDec 8, 2011

Snow Crash is a great book. No argument there.

But that is NOT what the Snow Crash Metaverse is about, and there are countless science fiction stories that do directly approach this subject matter.

Stephenson's Metaverse is very much the WWW with 3d goggles and a semi-constrained semi-realistic physics. It has people playing games, like the web. It has people mingling socially, it has people mingling for business, and it has places where those lines blur, like the web. It has people telecommuting to work, even, and it looks a lot like using a VPN. It has spammy ads, like the web, and savvy clients have plugins that try to identify and block those ads, like the web. Except for the extrapolation that we'd want 3d intput for everything, and the extrapolation that we'd want computer-vision cameras converting the upper half of our bodies into input devices, it's basically a very conservative extrapolation of the web, with only minimal changes. It's the single least far-reaching speculation in that novel; nearly every page discussing something OTHER than the Metaverse is way-out-there stuff (franchise nation-states, the whole nam-shub thing, man-portable fusion power (for Reason), smartwheels and microradar as consumer-grade goods, rat-things, it just goes on and on).

As for stories that DO actually talk about this (unlike Snow Crash), my favorite is God Is An Iron, a short story by Spider Robinson, that he later expanded into the novel Mindkiller. And not that I'm the hugest fan of Niven, but Niven's Ringworld has, as a side point, the same thing going on (Ringworld is the book that Bungie basically lifted whole-cloth to write the plot for Halo, ha ha).

ax0nonOct 5, 2009

Well, it was only ~5-10 hours per weekend 2 weekends in a row, and it was in the name of making stuff easier for my team for the future. In general, I like my job.

And I actually got out on my bike the past two weekends without working, got some computers built to hopefully find their way into the homes of school kids who need something simple at home, and I'm about 18 chapters deep into Snow Crash, which I feel REALLY BAD for putting off for so long. Never read it before.

canadian_voteronJan 4, 2017

<blockquote>
Garygoyles represent the embarrasing side of the Central Intelligence Corporation. Instead of using laptops, they wear their computers on their bodies, broken up into seperate modules that hang on the waist, on the back, on the headset. They serve as human surveillance devices, recording everything that happens around them. <... snip ...>

The CIC brass can't stand these guys because they upload staggering quantities of useless information to the database, on the off chance that some of it will eventually be useful. It's like writing down the license number of every car you see on your way to work each morning, just in case one of them will be involved in a hit-and-run accident. Even the CIC database can only hold so much garbage. So, usually, these habitual gargoyles get kicked out of the CIC before too long.
</blockquote>

-- Neal Stephenson, Snow Crash (1992)

Almost as quaint has "three megabytes of hot RAM".

mquanderonSep 19, 2011

If you're turned off by that, then you're probably not going to like his other books. Snow Crash, in particular, is even further along the spectrum of self-indulgence and geek wish-fulfillment (although I personally like it for what it is.) I'd recommend you go read a subtler author.

But if you want to give Stephenson a second shot, I suggest Diamond Age.

vitamenonAug 25, 2014

I've read Snow Crash yearly since I discovered the book some 14 years ago. I guess that's how I deal with the fact that Stephenson often doesn't know how to end a novel. I ached for a VR world like the Metaverse for a long time back then, but of course everything has always fallen well short of the mark. Maybe World of Warcraft came closest for me, to the degree I became immersed in Azeroth, but it was still obviously not the dream.

aarongoughonMar 29, 2010

I'm a big fan of Sci-Fi because I feel it makes people think about what they want the future to be, as well as avoiding the re-hashing of historical and current events that many fiction books set in the present do. With that in mind a list of great books to read:

  The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson
Gridlinked - Neal Asher
Neuromancer - William Gibson
The Reality Dysfunction - Peter F. Hamilton
The Dreaming Void - Peter F. Hamilton
Fallen Dragon - Peter F. Hamilton
Altered Carbon - Richard Morgan
Market Forces - Richard Morgan
Blindsight - Peter Watts
The Electric Church - Jeff Somers
Tunnel in the Sky - Robert A. Heinlein
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert A. Heinlein
1984 - George Orwell

LiveTheDreamonAug 27, 2011

Depends on how complex the expected operations are. I think awk is absolutely essential for dealing with things like logfiles. Do you have a reason against using sqlite[1]? That works just fine in the console, doesn't need a server. You could still use awk with it, technically. For example:

    bash..$ sqlite3 books.sqlite
sqlite$ create table books ( title varchar(128), author varchar(128) );
sqlite$ insert into books (title, author) values ("Snow Crash", "Neal Stephenson");
sqlite$ .quit
bash..$ echo "select * from books;" | sqlite3 books.sqlite
Snow Crash|Neal Stephenson

[1] http://sqlite.org/

FrogolocalypseonAug 8, 2016

Non-fiction

The Emperors New Mind - Roger Penrose

Godel, Escher, Bach - Douglass Hoffstadter

Brocas Brain - Carl Sagan

The (mis)Behavior of Markets - Benoit Mandelbrot

The Black Swan - Nicholas Nassem Taleb

Fiction

Gates Of Fire - Stephen Pressfield

Neuromancer - William Gibson

Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson

Hardwired - Walter Jon Williams

Altered Carbon - Richard Morgan

Red Mars - Kim Stanley Robinson

Space - Stephen Baxter

Enders Game - Orson Scott Card

Skeleton Crew - Stephen King

I've given away a lot of books. I'm old.

korethronJune 7, 2019

I think the closest we got to the Metaverse so far was Second Life, though it didn't get quite all the way there.

I actually played Second Life before reading Snow Crash. So imagine the chills I got when I started to read, and found this past vision of the future predicting Second Life with such uncanny accuracy. I found out later that the guys who made Second Life had drawn inspiration from Snow Crash. Human nature bridged most of the gap between the implementation detail of Second Life and Stephenson's vision.

fit2ruleonAug 25, 2014

It was 1993, late .. I was in the Embarcadero, something like the 36th floor, to play some Spectre VR at Velocity/Peninsula, where the game was made. My pal who worked there had been working late, so we blew some millions of tank pixels way. It was bliss. Doom had hit too, so we spent a few hours at that, and then back to Spectre VR again. Testing his networking code. By the time we walked out satisfied it was working, it was Saturday morning, and the sun was up in San Francisco. As we left his office, he gave me "Snow Crash" to take with me, for it was company reading and he'd read it already. It was motivating.

On the ground level of Embarcadero, as we left to trudge into our bunks across the bay, there was one of the first headset-VR shop/setups, running .. I think .. 'Dino'. It made me puke if I played for a few minutes, but it was neat that 'VR', back then, 'was coming .. soon'.

A few years later, there were the flight-sim centers around the SGI neighborhood. HUD's of pixels, or something.

Anyway, I still like to read Snow Crash every few years or so. Next month I'll probably do a workshop with some Dutch friends in Den Haag, with their new Occulus Rift headsets.. so to this old grizzly, it seems people want VR, even still. Gotta solve the puke factor, at least in my case, first though ..

mchaveronOct 22, 2019

Let's collect all the internet's historical pizza moments. I've collected a few from the comments here and added a few.

- 1990, Don Hopkins uses the PizzaTool to fax a pizza order.

- 1992, Snow Crash is published. Readers imagine interconnected virtual worlds and action packed pizza delivery. Often quoted book in regards to internet, MMORPGs and pizza.

- 1994, Pizza Hut's Pizza Net allows users in Santa Cruz to order pizza.

- May 22, 2010, Laszlo Hanyecz buys two pizzas for 10,000 bitcoins (valued at around 30 USD at the time).

jharohitonFeb 2, 2016

Let me kick off by giving my choices:

BOOK - Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson (http://www.amazon.com/Snow-Crash-Neal-Stephenson/dp/05533809...)

ARTICLE - The Resolution of the Bitcoin Experiment (https://medium.com/@octskyward/the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin...)

PAPER - Are we living in a simulation? (http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.pdf)

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